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	<title>Comments on: The Women&#8217;s Liberation Movement and Public Schools</title>
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		<title>By: PENolan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314508</link>
		<dc:creator>PENolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan Kozol writes compellingly about the purposeful socio-economic inequities in America's public schools as well as the curriculum deficiencies that lead to an inability to recognize connections.  If high school students graduated with the ability to question and critically analyze what they heard from the government, no one would ever go to war.  High Stakes Testing is one example of this trend which some argue can be traced back to our founding fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Kozol writes compellingly about the purposeful socio-economic inequities in America&#8217;s public schools as well as the curriculum deficiencies that lead to an inability to recognize connections.  If high school students graduated with the ability to question and critically analyze what they heard from the government, no one would ever go to war.  High Stakes Testing is one example of this trend which some argue can be traced back to our founding fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: ts</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314486</link>
		<dc:creator>ts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the U.S. even has a drive or need to care about providing better quality public school education system.  Having been educated in both domestic and oversea public schools, I feel the current system may be serving well enough; the pace is just slower in general compared to other industrialized countries.

What constantly shocks me in the U.S. is that the gross visible disparities in the living standards between haves and have-nots, and the quality of public education that kids receive reflects their parents' living standards (perhaps because the school funding comes from local taxes as a comment above mentioned).

If the value of public education is mostly in maintaining some sort of "universal" standards, it is odd that kids need to be given advantage or punished depending on where they are born.  We know, however, that's basically how the U.S. is structured.  Haves in this country do benefit from having less educated population around, and the social momentum is to keep things that way.

Low salaries in public education make it a rather unattractive career option in the U.S. for many domestic talents.  If things come down to money and how that flows in society (as is often the case), then maybe the U.S. can start hiring cheap(er) English-speaking educators from third-world countries with very well educated populations, maybe like India.  It's been happening in private education industry, such as in online tutoring.  Many sectors in the U.S., from the sweat-shop type to the highly technical, already depend on foreign labor, so why not public education?

That seems very American way of solving the "problem"... for now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the U.S. even has a drive or need to care about providing better quality public school education system.  Having been educated in both domestic and oversea public schools, I feel the current system may be serving well enough; the pace is just slower in general compared to other industrialized countries.</p>
<p>What constantly shocks me in the U.S. is that the gross visible disparities in the living standards between haves and have-nots, and the quality of public education that kids receive reflects their parents&#8217; living standards (perhaps because the school funding comes from local taxes as a comment above mentioned).</p>
<p>If the value of public education is mostly in maintaining some sort of &#8220;universal&#8221; standards, it is odd that kids need to be given advantage or punished depending on where they are born.  We know, however, that&#8217;s basically how the U.S. is structured.  Haves in this country do benefit from having less educated population around, and the social momentum is to keep things that way.</p>
<p>Low salaries in public education make it a rather unattractive career option in the U.S. for many domestic talents.  If things come down to money and how that flows in society (as is often the case), then maybe the U.S. can start hiring cheap(er) English-speaking educators from third-world countries with very well educated populations, maybe like India.  It&#8217;s been happening in private education industry, such as in online tutoring.  Many sectors in the U.S., from the sweat-shop type to the highly technical, already depend on foreign labor, so why not public education?</p>
<p>That seems very American way of solving the &#8220;problem&#8221;&#8230; for now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean M.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314479</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the old donor's theory were true, then why is public education in Canada working just fine?  The same for European countries which are even more succesful in treating women fairly.

Does anyone have data on the decline of US public education?  Literacy rates for the last 100 years, and so on?  I expect the decline exists, but its not my country so I've never looked into it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the old donor&#8217;s theory were true, then why is public education in Canada working just fine?  The same for European countries which are even more succesful in treating women fairly.</p>
<p>Does anyone have data on the decline of US public education?  Literacy rates for the last 100 years, and so on?  I expect the decline exists, but its not my country so I&#8217;ve never looked into it</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314473</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I suspect that this is actually far more important than the quality of the schools in predicting the future success of students.&lt;/I&gt;

Right.

Exactly.

That is the case because parents and tutors have assumed responsibility for making sure their students are learning the content being "discovered" in class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect that this is actually far more important than the quality of the schools in predicting the future success of students.</i></p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>That is the case because parents and tutors have assumed responsibility for making sure their students are learning the content being &#8220;discovered&#8221; in class.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314471</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;But the most important [reason the schools are worse] is the parents. &lt;/I&gt;

Yes, indeed.

Parent involvement!

Try Googling that phrase.

Then try Googling Siegfried Engelmannn and Direct Instruction: "If the student hasn't learned, the teacher hasn't taught."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But the most important [reason the schools are worse] is the parents. </i></p>
<p>Yes, indeed.</p>
<p>Parent involvement!</p>
<p>Try Googling that phrase.</p>
<p>Then try Googling Siegfried Engelmannn and Direct Instruction: &#8220;If the student hasn&#8217;t learned, the teacher hasn&#8217;t taught.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314470</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of teacher pay, it varies considerably state to state. The New York state school board association has just released a study showing that teacher pay in New York is equivalent to that of other professions. In my own affluent suburban town, teachers earn far more than many tenured college professors.  

It's high time someone took a good, hard look at the test scores of black and Hispanic students in these "high performing" public school districts. 

In my own district, last year, every single black and Hispanic student in the 8th grade failed the state tests in math and English. Every single one.

Why do the white students pass?

Parents and tutors are doing a vast amount of teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of teacher pay, it varies considerably state to state. The New York state school board association has just released a study showing that teacher pay in New York is equivalent to that of other professions. In my own affluent suburban town, teachers earn far more than many tenured college professors.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s high time someone took a good, hard look at the test scores of black and Hispanic students in these &#8220;high performing&#8221; public school districts. </p>
<p>In my own district, last year, every single black and Hispanic student in the 8th grade failed the state tests in math and English. Every single one.</p>
<p>Why do the white students pass?</p>
<p>Parents and tutors are doing a vast amount of teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314399</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any woman who can do the job should find no barriers to doing whatever isn't clearly limited by gender-interaction issues (play football alongside men) etc. However, the entry of women into the workforce in large numbers surely depressed wages, due to flood of labor supply. Now, the combined income of a couple who both work is hardly more (CPI adjusted) that what a given man could make decades ago. I don't think that's a coincidence, it is the dilution of available money to pay labor across the larger supply to a large extent. Yes, "more productivity" but now much of that is soaked up in competitive games and the empowered upper brackets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any woman who can do the job should find no barriers to doing whatever isn&#8217;t clearly limited by gender-interaction issues (play football alongside men) etc. However, the entry of women into the workforce in large numbers surely depressed wages, due to flood of labor supply. Now, the combined income of a couple who both work is hardly more (CPI adjusted) that what a given man could make decades ago. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a coincidence, it is the dilution of available money to pay labor across the larger supply to a large extent. Yes, &#8220;more productivity&#8221; but now much of that is soaked up in competitive games and the empowered upper brackets.</p>
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		<title>By: tmoney</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314363</link>
		<dc:creator>tmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has occurred in other minority groups such as African Americans as well. There was a time when university's had a policy against hiring African American professors, so what occurred is  often post docs would end up teaching in High Schools providing an excellent education, by extremely overqualified teachers. Currently teachers don't even have to major in the field they teach, and even I with a degree in Biology and physics cant go teach in a highschool without a teachers certificate. I think what is needed is more competition in schools, just as universities compete so should k-12 schools. And the only way to do that would be through privatization, attaching the money to the students not the school, and allowing parents to decide what school to enroll their children, forcing schools to compete requiring better qualified and more effective teachers in their perspective subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has occurred in other minority groups such as African Americans as well. There was a time when university&#8217;s had a policy against hiring African American professors, so what occurred is  often post docs would end up teaching in High Schools providing an excellent education, by extremely overqualified teachers. Currently teachers don&#8217;t even have to major in the field they teach, and even I with a degree in Biology and physics cant go teach in a highschool without a teachers certificate. I think what is needed is more competition in schools, just as universities compete so should k-12 schools. And the only way to do that would be through privatization, attaching the money to the students not the school, and allowing parents to decide what school to enroll their children, forcing schools to compete requiring better qualified and more effective teachers in their perspective subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314303</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a &lt;a href="http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/why-can2019t-a-woman-be-more-like-a-man" rel="nofollow"&gt;good read&lt;/a&gt;.  It is *slightly* off-topic, but certainly related to education and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a <a href="http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/why-can2019t-a-woman-be-more-like-a-man" rel="nofollow">good read</a>.  It is *slightly* off-topic, but certainly related to education and women.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Shor</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314269</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Shor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Googling gives the profession of #2 as an actress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googling gives the profession of #2 as an actress.</p>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314255</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think the primary issue with schooling K 1-12, really exists somewhere between K5-K10.  Those 4 or 5 years are more or less pathetic relative to the rest of the world, and where the US lags everyone else.  There is no good reason for that gap to be there, or why the standards suddenly crawl to a standstill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think the primary issue with schooling K 1-12, really exists somewhere between K5-K10.  Those 4 or 5 years are more or less pathetic relative to the rest of the world, and where the US lags everyone else.  There is no good reason for that gap to be there, or why the standards suddenly crawl to a standstill.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314253</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of crazy people out there. As someone wrote into my local paper the other day, it says in 1 Corinthians: &lt;i&gt;Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church&lt;/i&gt;. This guy was quite serious, in fact choking, because we just got a new bishop - a woman. Heh, give me shame and an eternity in hell anyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of crazy people out there. As someone wrote into my local paper the other day, it says in 1 Corinthians: <i>Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church</i>. This guy was quite serious, in fact choking, because we just got a new bishop - a woman. Heh, give me shame and an eternity in hell anyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314231</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Mike (and others upthread).  While we focus more on the "losers", Injustice usually has a clear winner as well (see Zuska's discussion of "privilige").  When injustices are corrected, some of the winners become losers, and thus exists the inertia against righting wrongs.  Change is hard, even if it's the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Mike (and others upthread).  While we focus more on the &#8220;losers&#8221;, Injustice usually has a clear winner as well (see Zuska&#8217;s discussion of &#8220;privilige&#8221;).  When injustices are corrected, some of the winners become losers, and thus exists the inertia against righting wrongs.  Change is hard, even if it&#8217;s the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the observation of this post gets to the heart of why oppression exists at all:  because it benefits the ones who are not oppressed.  When the oppression takes the form of limited opportunities, the benefit is cheap labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the observation of this post gets to the heart of why oppression exists at all:  because it benefits the ones who are not oppressed.  When the oppression takes the form of limited opportunities, the benefit is cheap labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314228</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those wondering about the game, clicking on the "other options" text in the post takes you to the source.  It's pretty funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those wondering about the game, clicking on the &#8220;other options&#8221; text in the post takes you to the source.  It&#8217;s pretty funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Kim, but I don't think that your comments support your case that public schools were better 50 years ago. The fraction of college bound students has more than doubled in the past 50 years (I think). So, if the public school quality was the same 50 years ago, we still expect a larger fraction of unprepared college students today.

Also, 50 years ago was only 7 months after Sputnik, and the post-Sputnik boost to science education did not have a chance to kick in. So, I think that, as far as science is concerned, it is quite likely that public schools were worse 50 years ago.

On the other hand, I think that you are absolutely right about the effect of the parents. I suspect that this is actually far more important than the quality of the schools in predicting the future success of students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Kim, but I don&#8217;t think that your comments support your case that public schools were better 50 years ago. The fraction of college bound students has more than doubled in the past 50 years (I think). So, if the public school quality was the same 50 years ago, we still expect a larger fraction of unprepared college students today.</p>
<p>Also, 50 years ago was only 7 months after Sputnik, and the post-Sputnik boost to science education did not have a chance to kick in. So, I think that, as far as science is concerned, it is quite likely that public schools were worse 50 years ago.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think that you are absolutely right about the effect of the parents. I suspect that this is actually far more important than the quality of the schools in predicting the future success of students.</p>
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		<title>By: andy.s</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314225</link>
		<dc:creator>andy.s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, career option #1 is a ballerina, #3 is a stewardess or a WAC, I'm guessing, #4 is a teacher, #6 is a nurse.

So what are #2 and #5?  5 is probably a model; is 2 some kind of Renaissance nobility?  I was unaware that was a career option in the 1950's.

Also, it's nice to see that the young blonde girl in the inset picture has other hair colors and styles open to her, too.  Freedom of choice is what this country is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, career option #1 is a ballerina, #3 is a stewardess or a WAC, I&#8217;m guessing, #4 is a teacher, #6 is a nurse.</p>
<p>So what are #2 and #5?  5 is probably a model; is 2 some kind of Renaissance nobility?  I was unaware that was a career option in the 1950&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s nice to see that the young blonde girl in the inset picture has other hair colors and styles open to her, too.  Freedom of choice is what this country is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314224</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't put down The Daily Show as a source of news. People who got their news from them were much more likely to know that Sadam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't have weapons of mass destruction. The newspapers and television news got that, among other things, wrong.

While the school system has been perennially maligned, it did take a hit when women started getting alternate careers. A lot more people remember truly amazing teachers, teachers who today would be working as lawyers, executives, doctors and in other careers. I'm no romantic about the school system. My mother was a teacher in NYC and I grew up with Up The Down Staircase. Education has always been one of those magical professions where we haven't put in the resources to understand it. (This sometimes happens. Women have been getting pregnant for years, but we only figured out their most fertile times five or ten years ago.)

We forget that it was illegal to teach a black slave to read. We forget that it was illegal to hire another company's workers for higher wages. We forget that there was a Supreme Court decision barring women from being lawyers. People rail about taxes, but the tax on a black slave used to be 100%, of everything. The tax on women, particularly women of skill, was far higher than anything that modern tax protesters like to whine about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t put down The Daily Show as a source of news. People who got their news from them were much more likely to know that Sadam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn&#8217;t have weapons of mass destruction. The newspapers and television news got that, among other things, wrong.</p>
<p>While the school system has been perennially maligned, it did take a hit when women started getting alternate careers. A lot more people remember truly amazing teachers, teachers who today would be working as lawyers, executives, doctors and in other careers. I&#8217;m no romantic about the school system. My mother was a teacher in NYC and I grew up with Up The Down Staircase. Education has always been one of those magical professions where we haven&#8217;t put in the resources to understand it. (This sometimes happens. Women have been getting pregnant for years, but we only figured out their most fertile times five or ten years ago.)</p>
<p>We forget that it was illegal to teach a black slave to read. We forget that it was illegal to hire another company&#8217;s workers for higher wages. We forget that there was a Supreme Court decision barring women from being lawyers. People rail about taxes, but the tax on a black slave used to be 100%, of everything. The tax on women, particularly women of skill, was far higher than anything that modern tax protesters like to whine about.</p>
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		<title>By: The AstroDyke</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314218</link>
		<dc:creator>The AstroDyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since my parents were both teachers, it took years for me to realize that while my dad had other options and chose the profession, teaching was the only occupation open to my college-educated mother in the 1960s-1970s.

Also took me years to do the math to realize that the Caltech Alumna I know are the *first* women Caltech allowed in.

It's not as ancient history as we like to pretend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since my parents were both teachers, it took years for me to realize that while my dad had other options and chose the profession, teaching was the only occupation open to my college-educated mother in the 1960s-1970s.</p>
<p>Also took me years to do the math to realize that the Caltech Alumna I know are the *first* women Caltech allowed in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as ancient history as we like to pretend.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/04/07/the-womens-liberation-movement-and-public-schools/#comment-314215</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think schools are considerable worse now than they were 50 years ago (when I was in the second grade).  I work in academia and am constantly amazed by the college track students who cannot write a clear paragraph or do simple algebra.  They have no interest in the world around them, at best getting their 'news' from "The Daily Show."  While "The Daily Show" is the best program on TV, it is commentary, not news.  An educated person should know the difference.

Why are schools worse?  Many reasons, including as mentioned above, talented women going into more lucrative fields, leaving behind those who aren't as well prepared and who do not care as much.  But the most important one is the parents.  And they sabotage education in a mulitude of ways.  Some think their children can do no wrong.  Others are completely absent from their children's education, or even worse, actively oppose the schools.  And far too many won't hold their children, or their schools, to high standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think schools are considerable worse now than they were 50 years ago (when I was in the second grade).  I work in academia and am constantly amazed by the college track students who cannot write a clear paragraph or do simple algebra.  They have no interest in the world around them, at best getting their &#8216;news&#8217; from &#8220;The Daily Show.&#8221;  While &#8220;The Daily Show&#8221; is the best program on TV, it is commentary, not news.  An educated person should know the difference.</p>
<p>Why are schools worse?  Many reasons, including as mentioned above, talented women going into more lucrative fields, leaving behind those who aren&#8217;t as well prepared and who do not care as much.  But the most important one is the parents.  And they sabotage education in a mulitude of ways.  Some think their children can do no wrong.  Others are completely absent from their children&#8217;s education, or even worse, actively oppose the schools.  And far too many won&#8217;t hold their children, or their schools, to high standards.</p>
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