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		<title>By: Does Space Expand? &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-327322</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Space Expand? &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seems to be something in the air these days that is making people speak out against the idea that space is expanding. For evidence, check out these two recent papers: The kinematic origin of the cosmological redshift [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seems to be something in the air these days that is making people speak out against the idea that space is expanding. For evidence, check out these two recent papers: The kinematic origin of the cosmological redshift [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-306987</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errata: See: "A Dark, Misleading Force" thread....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errata: See: &#8220;A Dark, Misleading Force&#8221; thread&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-306982</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABSTRACT: Don N. Page; December 13, 2007...last sentence...

"SQM also suggests the possibility that past steps along our evolutionary ancestry may be so rare, that they have occurred no where else in the past history of the universe that we can observe".

It is almost certain that life in the universe is a common phenomenon. It is also almost impossible that beings identical to ourselves exist anywhere else. One does not have to be a quantum theorist to fathom that! However it is interesting that certain quantum theories point to such an obvious conclusion about our uniqueness in the universe.

For similar reasons, related to genetic inheritance and environmental upbringing, each human individual who has ever lived is also unique. Cloning people doesn't produce robots, just individuals with identical genetic inheritance- as identical twins. However, no pair of identical twins live exactly identical lives.

This comment in Don's abstract has profound implications...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABSTRACT: Don N. Page; December 13, 2007&#8230;last sentence&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;SQM also suggests the possibility that past steps along our evolutionary ancestry may be so rare, that they have occurred no where else in the past history of the universe that we can observe&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is almost certain that life in the universe is a common phenomenon. It is also almost impossible that beings identical to ourselves exist anywhere else. One does not have to be a quantum theorist to fathom that! However it is interesting that certain quantum theories point to such an obvious conclusion about our uniqueness in the universe.</p>
<p>For similar reasons, related to genetic inheritance and environmental upbringing, each human individual who has ever lived is also unique. Cloning people doesn&#8217;t produce robots, just individuals with identical genetic inheritance- as identical twins. However, no pair of identical twins live exactly identical lives.</p>
<p>This comment in Don&#8217;s abstract has profound implications&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-305589</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first saw that famous picture of Einstein at the telescope with Hubble looking on in high school, more years ago than I would care to discuss. Suffice it to say I saw that picture for the first time while Albert Einstein was still very much alive!

If anybody is into non-verbals, look at the expressions on Albert and Edwins faces! 

A picture is truly worth 1,000 words!

I realize the picture was posed...for all we know it was taken in the daytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first saw that famous picture of Einstein at the telescope with Hubble looking on in high school, more years ago than I would care to discuss. Suffice it to say I saw that picture for the first time while Albert Einstein was still very much alive!</p>
<p>If anybody is into non-verbals, look at the expressions on Albert and Edwins faces! </p>
<p>A picture is truly worth 1,000 words!</p>
<p>I realize the picture was posed&#8230;for all we know it was taken in the daytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304980</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey folks, what about that "axis of evil" stuff etc? You can google for it ... It looks like something preferred, but too early to tell what's up.

As for hard spheres in the contracting universe: the point is, not how they affect the forces, but they are an obstruction - I don't think they could be just pulverized as if nothing there.  There are contradiction problems if you try to imagine what happens to all the bodies in expanding/contracting universes if some things are impeded by material barriers/obstructions and other things just move like dust in free fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey folks, what about that &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; stuff etc? You can google for it &#8230; It looks like something preferred, but too early to tell what&#8217;s up.</p>
<p>As for hard spheres in the contracting universe: the point is, not how they affect the forces, but they are an obstruction - I don&#8217;t think they could be just pulverized as if nothing there.  There are contradiction problems if you try to imagine what happens to all the bodies in expanding/contracting universes if some things are impeded by material barriers/obstructions and other things just move like dust in free fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Barber</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304949</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Garth: H_o*t_o is not equal to 1 with an accuracy of 0.6%.
t_o is known (but model dependent) to 1% and H_o (also
model dependent) to 4%. So while the product is very close to 1, the propagated uncertainy is 4%.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Yes Ned, although my post #22 was submitted before it was properly prepared (I have you Preview button on this Forum), I was simply using your Cosmology Calculator http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html,.

The present best accepted values of cosmological parameters 
(using the table in WMAP Cosmological Parameters http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/dr2/params/lcdm_all.cfm)
Ho = 70.4 km/sec/Mpsc
Omega_Lambda = 0.732
Omega_matter = 0.268

Feeding these values into your calculator I obtain:
The age of the universe is = 13.81 Gyrs.
But with h_100 = 0.704,
Hubble Time = 13.89 Gyrs. i.e. 0.6% difference!

In other words the calculated age turns out to be equal to Hubble Time to within the limits of the observational error of 4%.

Is this just a coincidence or is the universe trying to tell us something?

Garth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Garth: H_o*t_o is not equal to 1 with an accuracy of 0.6%.<br />
t_o is known (but model dependent) to 1% and H_o (also<br />
model dependent) to 4%. So while the product is very close to 1, the propagated uncertainy is 4%.</p></blockquote>
<p> Yes Ned, although my post #22 was submitted before it was properly prepared (I have you Preview button on this Forum), I was simply using your Cosmology Calculator <a href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html," rel="nofollow">http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html,</a>.</p>
<p>The present best accepted values of cosmological parameters<br />
(using the table in WMAP Cosmological Parameters <a href="http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/dr2/params/lcdm_all.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/dr2/params/lcdm_all.cfm</a>)<br />
Ho = 70.4 km/sec/Mpsc<br />
Omega_Lambda = 0.732<br />
Omega_matter = 0.268</p>
<p>Feeding these values into your calculator I obtain:<br />
The age of the universe is = 13.81 Gyrs.<br />
But with h_100 = 0.704,<br />
Hubble Time = 13.89 Gyrs. i.e. 0.6% difference!</p>
<p>In other words the calculated age turns out to be equal to Hubble Time to within the limits of the observational error of 4%.</p>
<p>Is this just a coincidence or is the universe trying to tell us something?</p>
<p>Garth</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Stankus</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304945</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Stankus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean --

The discovery of the Hubble expansion was indeed a profound advance.  But there's even more to it than that, as you well know, so let me point out for your readers:

 1. The pattern of Hubble's law, that the recessional velocity of distant galaxies is proportional to their distance away, directly implies that contemporary observers on any galaxy will see the same pattern, and with the same proportionality.  Thus the Hubble law contains the idea that the expansion has no preferred center.

 2. If we extrapolate the Hubble-law motions of the galaxies backward, assuming no acceleration (a not entirely unreasonable thing to do), we discover that there was a singular moment at a finite time into the past when they were all on top of each other.  So Hubble's law also raises directly the idea of a Universe with finite age.

Hubble could/would have declared an expanding Universe based on any observation of velocity going up monotonically with distance.  It is the special linear result  v=Hd  that also leads to the also profound picture of a uniform expansion with a finite history.  It all came in the same package! as long ago as 1930, for which we can indeed be thankful.

Cheers,

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean &#8211;</p>
<p>The discovery of the Hubble expansion was indeed a profound advance.  But there&#8217;s even more to it than that, as you well know, so let me point out for your readers:</p>
<p> 1. The pattern of Hubble&#8217;s law, that the recessional velocity of distant galaxies is proportional to their distance away, directly implies that contemporary observers on any galaxy will see the same pattern, and with the same proportionality.  Thus the Hubble law contains the idea that the expansion has no preferred center.</p>
<p> 2. If we extrapolate the Hubble-law motions of the galaxies backward, assuming no acceleration (a not entirely unreasonable thing to do), we discover that there was a singular moment at a finite time into the past when they were all on top of each other.  So Hubble&#8217;s law also raises directly the idea of a Universe with finite age.</p>
<p>Hubble could/would have declared an expanding Universe based on any observation of velocity going up monotonically with distance.  It is the special linear result  v=Hd  that also leads to the also profound picture of a uniform expansion with a finite history.  It all came in the same package! as long ago as 1930, for which we can indeed be thankful.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Wright</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304942</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil B: the "hard" spheres would lead to a large positive pressure
which would cause the contraction to go faster.  This seems
paradoxical but recall that objects are accelerated by
pressure gradients, not by a uniform pressure, and that both
pressure and density contribute with negative signs to the 
second derivative  of the scale factor.  So to slow down a contraction,
which would be a positive second derivative for the scale factor,
one needs a large negative pressure.

Garth: H_o*t_o is not equal to 1 with an accuracy of 0.6%.
t_o is known (but model dependent) to 1% and H_o (also 
model dependent) to 4%.  So while the product is very close to 1, the propagated uncertainy is 4%.

Sean: I read Luminet's review (pointed out by Daniel Fischer) 
and it makes the point that Le Maitre's little cited 1927 paper
in French to the Belgian Academy actually did the data analysis 
and derived the Hubble constant two years before Hubble.  Then 
Luminet didn't list this paper in his reference list!  I wish 
this 1927 paper were in the ADS, but last time I checked only
the translation in the 1931 MNRAS was there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil B: the &#8220;hard&#8221; spheres would lead to a large positive pressure<br />
which would cause the contraction to go faster.  This seems<br />
paradoxical but recall that objects are accelerated by<br />
pressure gradients, not by a uniform pressure, and that both<br />
pressure and density contribute with negative signs to the<br />
second derivative  of the scale factor.  So to slow down a contraction,<br />
which would be a positive second derivative for the scale factor,<br />
one needs a large negative pressure.</p>
<p>Garth: H_o*t_o is not equal to 1 with an accuracy of 0.6%.<br />
t_o is known (but model dependent) to 1% and H_o (also<br />
model dependent) to 4%.  So while the product is very close to 1, the propagated uncertainy is 4%.</p>
<p>Sean: I read Luminet&#8217;s review (pointed out by Daniel Fischer)<br />
and it makes the point that Le Maitre&#8217;s little cited 1927 paper<br />
in French to the Belgian Academy actually did the data analysis<br />
and derived the Hubble constant two years before Hubble.  Then<br />
Luminet didn&#8217;t list this paper in his reference list!  I wish<br />
this 1927 paper were in the ADS, but last time I checked only<br />
the translation in the 1931 MNRAS was there.</p>
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		<title>By: A new hidden symmetry of nature discovered at Freedom of Science</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304920</link>
		<dc:creator>A new hidden symmetry of nature discovered at Freedom of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new discovery that physics is a physical system of puns is getting truer and truer every day. In this article on Hubble&#8217;s Law Doctor Carroll of Cosmic Variance plays on the old pun between the universe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new discovery that physics is a physical system of puns is getting truer and truer every day. In this article on Hubble&#8217;s Law Doctor Carroll of Cosmic Variance plays on the old pun between the universe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean mentioned the coincidence of the almost exact apparent size of the sun and moon in the sky, as viewed from the surface of the Earth. The shadow of the moon on the Earth at totality is no more than about 200 miles wide. Sometimes no umbra strikes the Earth.

I did a few quick calculations using the measured angular diameter of the Moon and Sun in the sky at the apogee and perogee of appropriate orbits, and a guestimate of a rate of withdrawl of the moon from the Earth of 4 CM per year, and came up with numbers indicating it would take a full billion years for total solar eclipses to be eliminated. It seemed to me like an unbelievably long period of time for this trivial cosmic coincidence to be eliminated.

I checked with NASA and they told me that taking the increase in the size of the Suns disc into consideration and using a correct 3 CM annual withdrawl rate for the Moon, it would take a bit less than 600,000.000 years for total solar eclipses to be eliminated....a pretty stable coincidence indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean mentioned the coincidence of the almost exact apparent size of the sun and moon in the sky, as viewed from the surface of the Earth. The shadow of the moon on the Earth at totality is no more than about 200 miles wide. Sometimes no umbra strikes the Earth.</p>
<p>I did a few quick calculations using the measured angular diameter of the Moon and Sun in the sky at the apogee and perogee of appropriate orbits, and a guestimate of a rate of withdrawl of the moon from the Earth of 4 CM per year, and came up with numbers indicating it would take a full billion years for total solar eclipses to be eliminated. It seemed to me like an unbelievably long period of time for this trivial cosmic coincidence to be eliminated.</p>
<p>I checked with NASA and they told me that taking the increase in the size of the Suns disc into consideration and using a correct 3 CM annual withdrawl rate for the Moon, it would take a bit less than 600,000.000 years for total solar eclipses to be eliminated&#8230;.a pretty stable coincidence indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Barber</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304911</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
This has been discussed elsewhere:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011

One might want to do to read the stuff before the abstract though, … the paper did not quite manage to achieve what they had set out to do.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes that paper was a hoot! Notice the date and the co-author Ali Frolop = April Fool! 

Garth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
This has been discussed elsewhere:<br />
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011</a></p>
<p>One might want to do to read the stuff before the abstract though, … the paper did not quite manage to achieve what they had set out to do.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes that paper was a hoot! Notice the date and the co-author Ali Frolop = April Fool! </p>
<p>Garth</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cox</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304910</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relative to us, parts of the universe with a huge doppler redshift far back in time  near the BB are not only receding at velocities near the speed of light; their mass is, by relativity, much greater. 

I'm not at all convinced, especially since we now know that the universal expansion is accelerating, that this Hubble relationship really is linear, considering our limits of accuracy in measurement. Time dilation function is a pretty straight line until we are pretty close to the speed of light.

We are dealing with relativistic relationships when are talking this distant aspect of astronomy. The simple linear relationship which Hubble proposed may not be quite so simple- or linear 13BLY out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relative to us, parts of the universe with a huge doppler redshift far back in time  near the BB are not only receding at velocities near the speed of light; their mass is, by relativity, much greater. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all convinced, especially since we now know that the universal expansion is accelerating, that this Hubble relationship really is linear, considering our limits of accuracy in measurement. Time dilation function is a pretty straight line until we are pretty close to the speed of light.</p>
<p>We are dealing with relativistic relationships when are talking this distant aspect of astronomy. The simple linear relationship which Hubble proposed may not be quite so simple- or linear 13BLY out.</p>
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		<title>By: SH</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304908</link>
		<dc:creator>SH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observational astronomy has a rich history that must be respected.  These astronomers documented reality and today, we are trying to learn how to understand what they actually observed.

Today's cosmology, is often a form of mental masturbation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observational astronomy has a rich history that must be respected.  These astronomers documented reality and today, we are trying to learn how to understand what they actually observed.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s cosmology, is often a form of mental masturbation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ramsden</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304907</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ramsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to an article in this week's New Scientist, the cosmological horizon is currently at a distance of 43 billion light years which, as it predates the Big Bang, is presumably fictitious or virtual in some sense.

But if cosmic expansion keeps accelerating, so that the cosmological horizon shrinks, is there likely to be any change in the character of cosmic expansion if/when the cosmological horizon falls below 13 billion years so that the Big Bang is no longer "visible"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to an article in this week&#8217;s New Scientist, the cosmological horizon is currently at a distance of 43 billion light years which, as it predates the Big Bang, is presumably fictitious or virtual in some sense.</p>
<p>But if cosmic expansion keeps accelerating, so that the cosmological horizon shrinks, is there likely to be any change in the character of cosmic expansion if/when the cosmological horizon falls below 13 billion years so that the Big Bang is no longer &#8220;visible&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: rgb</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304906</link>
		<dc:creator>rgb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been discussed elsewhere:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011

One might want to do to read the stuff before the abstract though,  ... the paper did not quite manage to achieve what they had set out to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been discussed elsewhere:<br />
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0604011</a></p>
<p>One might want to do to read the stuff before the abstract though,  &#8230; the paper did not quite manage to achieve what they had set out to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Barber</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304904</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed it could be just pure coincidence, but the Universe Age/Hubble Time coincidence is linked with the near equality to an OOM of the densities of baryonic matter (4%), non-baryonic Dark Matter (23%) and Dark Energy (73%).

Why should these be approximately equal? 

The two coincidences are linked because it is the mix of DE/Matter that determines the age of the universe in terms of Hubble's constant.

Garth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed it could be just pure coincidence, but the Universe Age/Hubble Time coincidence is linked with the near equality to an OOM of the densities of baryonic matter (4%), non-baryonic Dark Matter (23%) and Dark Energy (73%).</p>
<p>Why should these be approximately equal? </p>
<p>The two coincidences are linked because it is the mix of DE/Matter that determines the age of the universe in terms of Hubble&#8217;s constant.</p>
<p>Garth</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304899</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Moon and the Sun, as seen from the Earth, subtend the same angle in the sky.  You are welcome to discern deep cosmic conspiracies underlying this fact if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moon and the Sun, as seen from the Earth, subtend the same angle in the sky.  You are welcome to discern deep cosmic conspiracies underlying this fact if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Barber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garth Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, s grea

If the universe is flat with a total density parameter Omega = 1 then:

if there is no DE then the  Age = 2/3 Hubble Time

if there is DE that reduces the rate of &lt;strong&gt; then
the Age &#62; 2/3 Hubble Time, from that value up to infinity, depending on the amount and the exact equation of state of the DE.

As Omega = 1 it seems a suspicious coincidence that Age = Hubble Time to within +/- 0.6%, which is equal to within observational error.

Garth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, s grea</p>
<p>If the universe is flat with a total density parameter Omega = 1 then:</p>
<p>if there is no DE then the  Age = 2/3 Hubble Time</p>
<p>if there is DE that reduces the rate of <strong> then<br />
the Age &gt; 2/3 Hubble Time, from that value up to infinity, depending on the amount and the exact equation of state of the DE.</p>
<p>As Omega = 1 it seems a suspicious coincidence that Age = Hubble Time to within +/- 0.6%, which is equal to within observational error.</p>
<p>Garth</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304896</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garth, et al: isn't the near equality of universe age and Hubble time a mark of the universe being so widely "open"?  If it was instead an asymptopic just-open expansion, I think t(H) is 2/3 of the actual age, or is it the other way around, I keep forgetting.  The really interesting thing, what is the time we get from taking the value of lambda, which has units a/r = 1/T^2, and thus taking lambda^(-1/2): IIRC and rough estimate it's about the same as the age of the universe, right? But if lambda is really a constant, then a certain time after the BB is equal to that and therefore "special" - are we in it?  See the discussion on dark energy etc. at Backreaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garth, et al: isn&#8217;t the near equality of universe age and Hubble time a mark of the universe being so widely &#8220;open&#8221;?  If it was instead an asymptopic just-open expansion, I think t(H) is 2/3 of the actual age, or is it the other way around, I keep forgetting.  The really interesting thing, what is the time we get from taking the value of lambda, which has units a/r = 1/T^2, and thus taking lambda^(-1/2): IIRC and rough estimate it&#8217;s about the same as the age of the universe, right? But if lambda is really a constant, then a certain time after the BB is equal to that and therefore &#8220;special&#8221; - are we in it?  See the discussion on dark energy etc. at Backreaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/22/thanksgiving-2/#comment-304894</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always worth noting that Einstein initially predicted an expanding universe based on his GR thoery, but he felt this was so ridiculous that he introduced a "cosmological constant" into his equations.  That issue is apparently &lt;a href="http://super.colorado.edu/~michaele/Lambda/blund.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;still in play, however&lt;/a&gt;.

Here's a nice picture of the Hubble redshift &lt;a href="http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~gott/AST1002/Extracredit_Projects/Hubble.expansion.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;from calcium lines&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always worth noting that Einstein initially predicted an expanding universe based on his GR thoery, but he felt this was so ridiculous that he introduced a &#8220;cosmological constant&#8221; into his equations.  That issue is apparently <a href="http://super.colorado.edu/~michaele/Lambda/blund.html" rel="nofollow">still in play, however</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a nice picture of the Hubble redshift <a href="http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~gott/AST1002/Extracredit_Projects/Hubble.expansion.gif" rel="nofollow">from calcium lines</a>.</p>
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