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		<title>By: Arsen D</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-325275</link>
		<dc:creator>Arsen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You won't find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Rahul Ghosh</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-324668</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Ghosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its really very exiting, I want to know more about it.</description>
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		<title>By: collin237</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-322904</link>
		<dc:creator>collin237</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I remember reading something about discovering the Higgs many years ago. Did that turn out to be wrong?</description>
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		<title>By: Quien será el primero en descubrir el bosón de Higgs (o para qué sirve el LHC del CERN) &#171; Francis (th)E mule Science&#8217;s News</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-322887</link>
		<dc:creator>Quien será el primero en descubrir el bosón de Higgs (o para qué sirve el LHC del CERN) &#171; Francis (th)E mule Science&#8217;s News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cierto, si habéis llegado hasta aquí, no podéis dejar de leer Higgs 101 (y no os asustéis con el lagrangiano de la teoría electrodébil, el del Modelo Estándar completo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cierto, si habéis llegado hasta aquí, no podéis dejar de leer Higgs 101 (y no os asustéis con el lagrangiano de la teoría electrodébil, el del Modelo Estándar completo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LARGE HADRON COLLIDER: Will the LHC create a stable black hole that devours the Earth? &#171; The Conservation Report</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-322575</link>
		<dc:creator>LARGE HADRON COLLIDER: Will the LHC create a stable black hole that devours the Earth? &#171; The Conservation Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Large Hadron Collider (particle accelerator) find? From Cosmic Variance: The Higgs Boson: 95%. The Higgs is the only particle in the Standard Model of Particle Physics which hasn’t yet been detected, so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Large Hadron Collider (particle accelerator) find? From Cosmic Variance: The Higgs Boson: 95%. The Higgs is the only particle in the Standard Model of Particle Physics which hasn’t yet been detected, so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Will the LHC Find? &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-321899</link>
		<dc:creator>What Will the LHC Find? &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Higgs Boson: 95%. The Higgs is the only particle in the Standard Model of Particle Physics which hasn&#8217;t yet been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Spontaneous Social Symmetry Breaking &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-321311</link>
		<dc:creator>Spontaneous Social Symmetry Breaking &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with an electron that is charged and massive, a neutrino that is neutral and nearly massless. The Higgs boson that the Large Hadron Collider is looking for would be the telltale sign of the mechanism behind [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with an electron that is charged and massive, a neutrino that is neutral and nearly massless. The Higgs boson that the Large Hadron Collider is looking for would be the telltale sign of the mechanism behind [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Mocking Eye / Some Particle Physics: the Higgs Boson</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304771</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mocking Eye / Some Particle Physics: the Higgs Boson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The rest is here.   Post a comment &#8212; Trackback URI RSS 2.0 feed for these comments This entry (permalink) was posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007, at 7:31 pm by Mike K and categorized in Uncategorized. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The rest is here.   Post a comment &mdash; Trackback URI RSS 2.0 feed for these comments This entry (permalink) was posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007, at 7:31 pm by Mike K and categorized in Uncategorized. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304225</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, to draw gage symmetry by one hand that to break it by the
other, this looks much the same strange as those deferents
broken by epicycles.
(Unbroken gage symmetry is way better.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, to draw gage symmetry by one hand that to break it by the<br />
other, this looks much the same strange as those deferents<br />
broken by epicycles.<br />
(Unbroken gage symmetry is way better.)</p>
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		<title>By: Microtwittering addendum &#171; Reassembler</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304214</link>
		<dc:creator>Microtwittering addendum &#171; Reassembler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seems like a logical next development, consistent with both the Cosmic Variance description of the inexorable path of science (smaller and smaller) and also Liquid Egg Product&#8217;s insistence that most young Americans can&#8217;t string a whole [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seems like a logical next development, consistent with both the Cosmic Variance description of the inexorable path of science (smaller and smaller) and also Liquid Egg Product&#8217;s insistence that most young Americans can&#8217;t string a whole [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bittergradstudent</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304208</link>
		<dc:creator>bittergradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumbo--

the Higgs boson is a scalar particle.  It is defined, classically, by a single function 

Gauge bosons are particles that exhibit a gauge symmetry--namely, they are written down using a certain number of functions, but the actual physics they describe involves a smaller number of functions.  Therefore, in describing the actual physics involved with the gauge boson, we are free to set an arbitrary relationship between the various functions that we have written down, before we even begin to solve the problem.  The most common example of this is the four dimensional vector potential function in Electricity and magnetism--we are free to add the gradient of an arbitrary function to the vector potential, and we will not change the electric or magnetic fields described by this potential.

In this sense, the graviton is certainly a gauge boson--in order to write down the gravitational field, we need ten functions.  Careful analysis, however, reveals that there are only two physically meaningful local degrees of freedom to the gravitational field.  Of course, we can't write down a consistent quantum mechanical description of the graviton, so perhaps this description is wrong.  

This leaves us with the vector particles, which are bosons of spin one, that are classically described by four dimensional vectors.  We have a perfectly good quantum mechanical theory of vector particles.  So, typically, when particle physicists talk of 'gauge bosons', the things that they are describing are vector particles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbo&#8211;</p>
<p>the Higgs boson is a scalar particle.  It is defined, classically, by a single function </p>
<p>Gauge bosons are particles that exhibit a gauge symmetry&#8211;namely, they are written down using a certain number of functions, but the actual physics they describe involves a smaller number of functions.  Therefore, in describing the actual physics involved with the gauge boson, we are free to set an arbitrary relationship between the various functions that we have written down, before we even begin to solve the problem.  The most common example of this is the four dimensional vector potential function in Electricity and magnetism&#8211;we are free to add the gradient of an arbitrary function to the vector potential, and we will not change the electric or magnetic fields described by this potential.</p>
<p>In this sense, the graviton is certainly a gauge boson&#8211;in order to write down the gravitational field, we need ten functions.  Careful analysis, however, reveals that there are only two physically meaningful local degrees of freedom to the gravitational field.  Of course, we can&#8217;t write down a consistent quantum mechanical description of the graviton, so perhaps this description is wrong.  </p>
<p>This leaves us with the vector particles, which are bosons of spin one, that are classically described by four dimensional vectors.  We have a perfectly good quantum mechanical theory of vector particles.  So, typically, when particle physicists talk of &#8216;gauge bosons&#8217;, the things that they are describing are vector particles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbo</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304182</link>
		<dc:creator>Dumbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Higgs boson a gauge boson? If not, why not? What is a gauge boson anyway? What about the graviton? When is a boson not a gauge boson? Are there gauge fermions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Higgs boson a gauge boson? If not, why not? What is a gauge boson anyway? What about the graviton? When is a boson not a gauge boson? Are there gauge fermions?</p>
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		<title>By: Nature is not supernatural, physics is at Freedom of Science</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304129</link>
		<dc:creator>Nature is not supernatural, physics is at Freedom of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conway writes: Surely one could unify electromagnetism with the other obvious force of nature, gravity, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bittergradstudent</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304124</link>
		<dc:creator>bittergradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there are a bunch of other scenarios where something like the Higgs mechanism is what's going on, but it is not the Glashow, Salam and Weinberg model at all, right?  

Things like where the underlying group is SU(2)xSU(2) instead of SU(2)xU(1), and the missing two gauge bosons have a mass in excess of 150 GeV, or where there is no Higgs boson, but instead a cooper pair of two fermions looks like a Higgs, or something like that, ya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there are a bunch of other scenarios where something like the Higgs mechanism is what&#8217;s going on, but it is not the Glashow, Salam and Weinberg model at all, right?  </p>
<p>Things like where the underlying group is SU(2)xSU(2) instead of SU(2)xU(1), and the missing two gauge bosons have a mass in excess of 150 GeV, or where there is no Higgs boson, but instead a cooper pair of two fermions looks like a Higgs, or something like that, ya?</p>
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		<title>By: Jugalator</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jugalator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post! Even someone like me can digest a lot of this, and it's all very interesting science. :) This is exactly the kind of stuff I come here to this blog, hoping to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post! Even someone like me can digest a lot of this, and it&#8217;s all very interesting science. <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> This is exactly the kind of stuff I come here to this blog, hoping to find.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304108</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the elementary particles known from experiments for today
have some spin (1/2, or 1, ..). Maybe this is the exact rule of nature
 that spin zero elem.particles do not exist (at all; and i'm
almost inclined to bet on
&lt;a HREF="http://zhogin.narod.ru/poster-DoG.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt; ..)&lt;/A&gt;:).

However, new vector bosons possessing higgs-like functionality
(ie, interconversion of left and right fermions) could still exist
(even if no condensate is present); these bosons are also
well suitable for hunting:-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the elementary particles known from experiments for today<br />
have some spin (1/2, or 1, ..). Maybe this is the exact rule of nature<br />
 that spin zero elem.particles do not exist (at all; and i&#8217;m<br />
almost inclined to bet on<br />
<a HREF="http://zhogin.narod.ru/poster-DoG.pdf" rel="nofollow"> ..)</a>:).</p>
<p>However, new vector bosons possessing higgs-like functionality<br />
(ie, interconversion of left and right fermions) could still exist<br />
(even if no condensate is present); these bosons are also<br />
well suitable for hunting:-).</p>
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		<title>By: An update on the God particle &#171; Reassembler</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-304029</link>
		<dc:creator>An update on the God particle &#171; Reassembler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our friends at Cosmic Variance have a handy dandy update and you don&#8217;t really have to know much about the subject to follow the post. Jolly good of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crudely Wrott</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-303968</link>
		<dc:creator>Crudely Wrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, John (#33) for the reply.

I fully agree that a Higgs discovery would be useful and wonderful. In the same manner that the discovery of the electron, proton and neutron were. On each occasion much was made of the idea that a complete understanding of the nature of, well, nature, was at hand. Alas, closer inspection, based upon the new knowledge that emerged, only served to show a more subtle and counter-intuitive view.

Having barely enough knowledge to be marginally dangerous, I find a kind of Zen in the idea that all particles are infinitely divisible. OK, there may certainly be a practical, fundamental limit and that is not for me to say. But the idea that there is one ultimate particle strikes me with the same inner discomfort as the idea that there is one ultimate creator or one particular definition of the question to which the answer is 41.99999 . . .  . I would sure hate to have to tell everyone that the show is over and pack up the tent in the rain to set off to the next gig not only without a map but without even the possibility of a map existing.

Funny how our individual perceptions and biases color our definitions yet, without actual observation, how can we otherwise define anything practical or fundamental? Ah! The joy of science, mankind's only legitimate child.

Others have said that it is all not only stranger than we imagine it is; it is stranger than we can possibly imagine (given present knowledge and the tools at hand).

I am anticipating the advent of the LHC. Certainly both our knowledge and our tools will be changed. And then we will be able to draw the map to the next gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John (#33) for the reply.</p>
<p>I fully agree that a Higgs discovery would be useful and wonderful. In the same manner that the discovery of the electron, proton and neutron were. On each occasion much was made of the idea that a complete understanding of the nature of, well, nature, was at hand. Alas, closer inspection, based upon the new knowledge that emerged, only served to show a more subtle and counter-intuitive view.</p>
<p>Having barely enough knowledge to be marginally dangerous, I find a kind of Zen in the idea that all particles are infinitely divisible. OK, there may certainly be a practical, fundamental limit and that is not for me to say. But the idea that there is one ultimate particle strikes me with the same inner discomfort as the idea that there is one ultimate creator or one particular definition of the question to which the answer is 41.99999 . . .  . I would sure hate to have to tell everyone that the show is over and pack up the tent in the rain to set off to the next gig not only without a map but without even the possibility of a map existing.</p>
<p>Funny how our individual perceptions and biases color our definitions yet, without actual observation, how can we otherwise define anything practical or fundamental? Ah! The joy of science, mankind&#8217;s only legitimate child.</p>
<p>Others have said that it is all not only stranger than we imagine it is; it is stranger than we can possibly imagine (given present knowledge and the tools at hand).</p>
<p>I am anticipating the advent of the LHC. Certainly both our knowledge and our tools will be changed. And then we will be able to draw the map to the next gig.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-303913</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crudely Wrott (#29): It is entirely possible it's particles all the way down, as you say...  Certainly every time we have banged things together we've found smaller things inside.  Why should that pattern ever cease?

Nima Arkani-Hamed was at UC Davis a couple weeks ago and gave a talk where he said that if this were the outcome, that would be the "ordinary" outcome, the
easy solution to the problem.  Not that we wouldn't be excited to explore the new forces/particles we find!  But finding a Higgs scalar, indicating this Higgs field permeating all spacetime, would be the "extraordinary" outcome, a truly new thing  for this field o physics.  

There are days when I think that these "compositeness" models might be right after all.   And they are not at all out of fashion thee days...

Ultimately it's an experimental question, and we ma know the answer soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crudely Wrott (#29): It is entirely possible it&#8217;s particles all the way down, as you say&#8230;  Certainly every time we have banged things together we&#8217;ve found smaller things inside.  Why should that pattern ever cease?</p>
<p>Nima Arkani-Hamed was at UC Davis a couple weeks ago and gave a talk where he said that if this were the outcome, that would be the &#8220;ordinary&#8221; outcome, the<br />
easy solution to the problem.  Not that we wouldn&#8217;t be excited to explore the new forces/particles we find!  But finding a Higgs scalar, indicating this Higgs field permeating all spacetime, would be the &#8220;extraordinary&#8221; outcome, a truly new thing  for this field o physics.  </p>
<p>There are days when I think that these &#8220;compositeness&#8221; models might be right after all.   And they are not at all out of fashion thee days&#8230;</p>
<p>Ultimately it&#8217;s an experimental question, and we ma know the answer soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Changcho</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/06/higgs-101/#comment-303912</link>
		<dc:creator>Changcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thank you, answers a lot of my questions. Hopefully the LHC will clarify things when it starts production runs.</description>
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