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		<title>By: Reading Backlog &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; with George Orwell as Megatron</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-305768</link>
		<dc:creator>Reading Backlog &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; with George Orwell as Megatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] awesome origami cool brain shit the driving force behind THE NETWORK Criterion Collection&#8217;s apologia Science: Spider-Man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reading Backlog &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; with George Orwell as Megatron</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-305769</link>
		<dc:creator>Reading Backlog &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; with George Orwell as Megatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] awesome origami cool brain shit the driving force behind THE NETWORK Criterion Collection&#8217;s apologia Science: Spider-Man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michi&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Synaesthesia and cognition</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-305479</link>
		<dc:creator>Michi&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Synaesthesia and cognition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I stumbled across one of the latest post at Making Light. They link to the story of a colourblind synaesthete. Who perceives colour through his synaesthesis that he DOES NOT perceive in the real [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-14 &#171; Amy G. Dala</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-304245</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-14 &#171; Amy G. Dala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martian Colors &#124; Cosmic Variance But then here’s my favorite part. They found a synesthete who was color blind. That may seem strange, but what it really means is that the subject had problems with his retina that left him able to distinguish only an extremely narrow range of wavelengt (tags: neuroscience research science) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: liana</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-304238</link>
		<dc:creator>liana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think you might be a synesthete, you can check the possibility by doing a computerized battery of tests at this website:

http://synesthete.org/

Personally, I would recommend synesthetes to contact synesthesia research centers at near universities. There are many forms of synesthesia out there (combinations of color, emotions, sequences,  spatial locations, graphemes, sensations, sounds, etc.), and usually the researchers need new participants for their experiments. It can be an interesting experience and you'll be contributing to science.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think you might be a synesthete, you can check the possibility by doing a computerized battery of tests at this website:</p>
<p><a href="http://synesthete.org/" rel="nofollow">http://synesthete.org/</a></p>
<p>Personally, I would recommend synesthetes to contact synesthesia research centers at near universities. There are many forms of synesthesia out there (combinations of color, emotions, sequences,  spatial locations, graphemes, sensations, sounds, etc.), and usually the researchers need new participants for their experiments. It can be an interesting experience and you&#8217;ll be contributing to science.</p>
<p> <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: My Experience With Synesthesia &#171; Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-304143</link>
		<dc:creator>My Experience With Synesthesia &#171; Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: I found an interesting post about synesthesia over at Cosmic Variance. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael G.R.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-304142</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael G.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! Last september I wrote about my experience with synesthesia:

&lt;a href="http://michaelgr.com/2007/09/14/my-experience-with-synesthesia/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://michaelgr.com/2007/09/14/my-experience-with-synesthesia/&lt;/a&gt;

I even used pictures of the Rama test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! Last september I wrote about my experience with synesthesia:</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelgr.com/2007/09/14/my-experience-with-synesthesia/" rel="nofollow">http://michaelgr.com/2007/09/14/my-experience-with-synesthesia/</a></p>
<p>I even used pictures of the Rama test.</p>
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		<title>By: Farver fra Mars &#171; Lusepuster</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-304003</link>
		<dc:creator>Farver fra Mars &#171; Lusepuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kommer moderne neurologi så muligvis den stakkels Borroughs til undsætning. På Cosmic Variance skriver skribenten Sean Caroll om neurologiske undersøgelser af synæstesi - at én slags sanseindtryk, for eksempel en form, kan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rishel.org &#187; Colorblind Synesthete experiences colors his eyes can&#8217;t see.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303986</link>
		<dc:creator>rishel.org &#187; Colorblind Synesthete experiences colors his eyes can&#8217;t see.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a grapheme's actual color from it's "synthetic" color. This all gets really weird when you get a synesthete who is colorblind. He sees colors in his mind that his eyes are physically unable to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a grapheme&#8217;s actual color from it&#8217;s &#8220;synthetic&#8221; color. This all gets really weird when you get a synesthete who is colorblind. He sees colors in his mind that his eyes are physically unable to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the new shelton wet/dry</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303972</link>
		<dc:creator>the new shelton wet/dry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To test synesthesia, Rama and collaborators designed an experiment where they could measure the vividness of the colors associated with the numbers 2 and 5. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To test synesthesia, Rama and collaborators designed an experiment where they could measure the vividness of the colors associated with the numbers 2 and 5. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FUTURE BLINDNESS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-09</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303959</link>
		<dc:creator>FUTURE BLINDNESS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martian Colors &#124; Cosmic Variance whoa! (tags: via:tang science color theory) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: F1</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303864</link>
		<dc:creator>F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. &lt;b&gt;Greg&lt;/b&gt;, your colors are wrong. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. <b>Greg</b>, your colors are wrong. <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: F1</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303863</link>
		<dc:creator>F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm both a synaesthete and an astrophysicist.

Likewise, in the past I was always accused of lying when I said my 3's were red. I didn't know that others didn't see the world this way, or that there was a name for the "condition," until about November of 1999 when Discover Magazine published a popular article on the subject.

I've heard that synaesthesia is not all that uncommon, but I've never met another synaesthete to my knowledge. Admittedly it's not something that comes up in conversation due to the oddity and the potential embarrassment factor.

I can address a few points from my point of view:

1. Yes, I see mathematical expositions in a flurry of colors.

2. For color-grapheme associations, context does matter, to a certain extent. For example, the color of a character will change depending on whether I think it's a number 5 or a letter S. I can force a character to "change" colors.

2a. For some reason this doesn't apply to Roman numerals, which for me always retain the colors associated with their "alphabetness."

3. Despite point 2, I have noticed that I can sometimes read highway signs from a distance based on the colors I see even if the characters are a bit too blurry for me to consciously make them out. But perception of perception is fuzzy -- my brain must be recognizing the graphemes somehow even if I don't.

4. I occasionally read things written in non-Roman alphabets. The colors of the characters in these non-Roman alphabets are frequently colored by their corresponding sound, and thus letter, in the Roman alphabet. Amusingly, these non-Roman characters may appear "two-toned" if they carry one sound/color in the corresponding Roman character but also physically resemble another of the non-Roman characters that carries a different sound/color. 

5. The triangle of 2's doesn't pop out immediately for me, although certainly more quickly than the 20-second average alleged for the non-synaesthetes. I have to recognize the 2's first. 

I would like to know whether color-grapheme synaesthesia in particular is more common among people who learned to read comparatively early. (This would probably have to be disentangled somehow from the tendency of people with higher-than-average IQs to learn to read early; I recall hearing that higher-than-average IQ is associated with synaesthesia, as is autism.) My understanding is that infants don't prune away these neurological cross-modal associations until age 2 or 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m both a synaesthete and an astrophysicist.</p>
<p>Likewise, in the past I was always accused of lying when I said my 3&#8217;s were red. I didn&#8217;t know that others didn&#8217;t see the world this way, or that there was a name for the &#8220;condition,&#8221; until about November of 1999 when Discover Magazine published a popular article on the subject.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that synaesthesia is not all that uncommon, but I&#8217;ve never met another synaesthete to my knowledge. Admittedly it&#8217;s not something that comes up in conversation due to the oddity and the potential embarrassment factor.</p>
<p>I can address a few points from my point of view:</p>
<p>1. Yes, I see mathematical expositions in a flurry of colors.</p>
<p>2. For color-grapheme associations, context does matter, to a certain extent. For example, the color of a character will change depending on whether I think it&#8217;s a number 5 or a letter S. I can force a character to &#8220;change&#8221; colors.</p>
<p>2a. For some reason this doesn&#8217;t apply to Roman numerals, which for me always retain the colors associated with their &#8220;alphabetness.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Despite point 2, I have noticed that I can sometimes read highway signs from a distance based on the colors I see even if the characters are a bit too blurry for me to consciously make them out. But perception of perception is fuzzy &#8212; my brain must be recognizing the graphemes somehow even if I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>4. I occasionally read things written in non-Roman alphabets. The colors of the characters in these non-Roman alphabets are frequently colored by their corresponding sound, and thus letter, in the Roman alphabet. Amusingly, these non-Roman characters may appear &#8220;two-toned&#8221; if they carry one sound/color in the corresponding Roman character but also physically resemble another of the non-Roman characters that carries a different sound/color. </p>
<p>5. The triangle of 2&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t pop out immediately for me, although certainly more quickly than the 20-second average alleged for the non-synaesthetes. I have to recognize the 2&#8217;s first. </p>
<p>I would like to know whether color-grapheme synaesthesia in particular is more common among people who learned to read comparatively early. (This would probably have to be disentangled somehow from the tendency of people with higher-than-average IQs to learn to read early; I recall hearing that higher-than-average IQ is associated with synaesthesia, as is autism.) My understanding is that infants don&#8217;t prune away these neurological cross-modal associations until age 2 or 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303861</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but what happens if 2 and 5 are the same colour? For me they're quite close---orange and red respectively. The test would still work, but with false negatives.

I laid out my colours a few months ago:
http://www.booberfish.com/blog/2007/01/everything-has-a-colour/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but what happens if 2 and 5 are the same colour? For me they&#8217;re quite close&#8212;orange and red respectively. The test would still work, but with false negatives.</p>
<p>I laid out my colours a few months ago:<br />
<a href="http://www.booberfish.com/blog/2007/01/everything-has-a-colour/" rel="nofollow">http://www.booberfish.com/blog/2007/01/everything-has-a-colour/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303860</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People never believe me when I tell them numbers and letters have colours. I was excited to test how strong my connection is, but I glanced at the colourised version of the graphic before the black and white one, which spoiled the test. I often remember things like phone numbers, exam grades, and website addresses are based on their colours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People never believe me when I tell them numbers and letters have colours. I was excited to test how strong my connection is, but I glanced at the colourised version of the graphic before the black and white one, which spoiled the test. I often remember things like phone numbers, exam grades, and website addresses are based on their colours.</p>
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		<title>By: Verschiedenen Geheimnissen &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; con la espada ensangrentada</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303841</link>
		<dc:creator>Verschiedenen Geheimnissen &#124; THE JO-TEL &#8230; con la espada ensangrentada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brains are really cool. This is Johnny D&#8217;s blown mind link of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303826</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the Science article:

http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/atran_et_al_science_mag_240807.pdf

More relevant, perhaps, is the PNAS article:

http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/pnas_sacred_bounds.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Science article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/atran_et_al_science_mag_240807.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/atran_et_al_science_mag_240807.pdf</a></p>
<p>More relevant, perhaps, is the PNAS article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/pnas_sacred_bounds.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/pnas_sacred_bounds.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303823</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I'll put my vote in for a post on Scott Atran's talk. His recent work on terrorism seems really important and interesting. He had a long Nature or Science article about it not long ago (a couple of months?), too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I&#8217;ll put my vote in for a post on Scott Atran&#8217;s talk. His recent work on terrorism seems really important and interesting. He had a long Nature or Science article about it not long ago (a couple of months?), too.</p>
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		<title>By: hughstimson.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Two Things That Blew My Mind on Monday</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303805</link>
		<dc:creator>hughstimson.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Two Things That Blew My Mind on Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: Apparently V.S. Ramachandran was investigating the synesthesia phenomenon in which people experience certain colours in association with certain numbers, and had the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Low Math, Meekly Interacting</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/05/martian-colors/#comment-303784</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Math, Meekly Interacting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most remarkable syneasthetes is Daniel Tammet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet

It's thought that his savant abilities are facilitated by the associations synaesthesia provides.  When I first heard about Tammet, I immediately thought of the Feynman quote in #8, and wondered if he also benefitted from this quirk of neurology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most remarkable syneasthetes is Daniel Tammet:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s thought that his savant abilities are facilitated by the associations synaesthesia provides.  When I first heard about Tammet, I immediately thought of the Feynman quote in #8, and wondered if he also benefitted from this quirk of neurology.</p>
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