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	<title>Comments on: Why it&#8217;s OK not to be Sean</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/</link>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30820</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's her!  Thanks for the name!  She was very interesting to talk with, but unfortunately I have a mind like a steel seive, and I don't have my notes about who I talked with on me at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s her!  Thanks for the name!  She was very interesting to talk with, but unfortunately I have a mind like a steel seive, and I don&#8217;t have my notes about who I talked with on me at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellipsis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30802</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellipsis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30802</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
a woman-who’s-poster-I-saw-at-the-AAS-but-I’m-blanking-on-the-name who had actually proposed a satellite to nail it down
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be (my friend and colleague) Susana Deustua, along with colleagues of hers.  See &lt;a href="http://www.starcal.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.starcal.org&lt;/a&gt;.  There are several smaller projects that may get us a fraction of the way there in the meantime.  STARCaL has other uses (in climate studies, etc.) as well.</description>
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a woman-who’s-poster-I-saw-at-the-AAS-but-I’m-blanking-on-the-name who had actually proposed a satellite to nail it down
</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be (my friend and colleague) Susana Deustua, along with colleagues of hers.  See <a href="http://www.starcal.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.starcal.org</a>.  There are several smaller projects that may get us a fraction of the way there in the meantime.  STARCaL has other uses (in climate studies, etc.) as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30819</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30819</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It was important to learn that Type Ia SN had a typical luminosity, but not what its value was, to discover the accelerating Universe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, the value &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; important if you're going to decide that they might be detectable at z=1.  Maybe you don't need to know more than a significant digit or two, but it's not unnecessary information.  Moreover, the good &lt;em&gt;relative&lt;/em&gt; distances were critical for nailing down the time-delay/color/luminosity relation.

You're certainly right that absolute photometry is still in the dark ages.  I know of various astronomers who've been working on it/griping about it for a while (Stubbs, Hogg, and a woman-who's-poster-I-saw-at-the-AAS-but-I'm-blanking-on-the-name who had actually proposed a satellite to nail it down).  It will definitely be a bonus if the dark energy fervor has the byproduct of nailing this down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It was important to learn that Type Ia SN had a typical luminosity, but not what its value was, to discover the accelerating Universe.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, the value <em>is</em> important if you&#8217;re going to decide that they might be detectable at z=1.  Maybe you don&#8217;t need to know more than a significant digit or two, but it&#8217;s not unnecessary information.  Moreover, the good <em>relative</em> distances were critical for nailing down the time-delay/color/luminosity relation.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re certainly right that absolute photometry is still in the dark ages.  I know of various astronomers who&#8217;ve been working on it/griping about it for a while (Stubbs, Hogg, and a woman-who&#8217;s-poster-I-saw-at-the-AAS-but-I&#8217;m-blanking-on-the-name who had actually proposed a satellite to nail it down).  It will definitely be a bonus if the dark energy fervor has the byproduct of nailing this down.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30818</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30818</guid>
		<description>The 'Why' and the 'How' are both good questions that one should ask. One just shouldn't mix them up too much. If I'd ask myself why do I exist and why is now 'now' and not 'then' I'd never finish any paper. So I export these question to my blog ;-) Best,

B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;Why&#8217; and the &#8216;How&#8217; are both good questions that one should ask. One just shouldn&#8217;t mix them up too much. If I&#8217;d ask myself why do I exist and why is now &#8216;now&#8217; and not &#8216;then&#8217; I&#8217;d never finish any paper. So I export these question to my blog <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Best,</p>
<p>B.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood-Vasey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30817</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood-Vasey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30817</guid>
		<description>While I completely agree with your list and point that many, many things have been done to bring us where we are today in our lack of understanding of dark energy, as a very minor technical note, I wish to mention just a bit regarding the following two remarks quoted below:

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That Type Ia SN have a typical luminosity of 10^43 ers/s, which we learned from figuring out how to measure distances to nearby galaxies that happened to host Type Ia Sn in the past, using a list of facts that is much longer than this one.
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It was important to learn that Type Ia SN had a typical luminosity, but not what its value was, to discover the accelerating Universe.  Doing this was certainly aided by other known distance indicators, although after the fact SNe Ia alone can tell you that they are standard(izable) candles.  It was not important to know what the luminosity was in erg/s.  Speaking of which,

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takes for granted that we know even more basic things like "how do I calibrate how many ergs/s are coming from an astronomical object that I detect as a fuzzy blotch in my CCD detector?".
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As observers, we don't really actually have a good answer to this question.  I can tell you how many erg/s are hitting my detector rather well.  However, relating that to how many erg/s were actually emitted by the astronomical object  in the given area subtended by our aperture is a far more challenging problem. Our ability to make relative measurements is far, far greater than our ability to make absolute measurements.  While we're discussing basic research things that should be done in astronomy, this is one of the very important things that we should probably figure out how to do well.  And at the present moment it is in fact future planned dark energy missions/experiments that are most driving this need for basic improvement in how we do astronomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I completely agree with your list and point that many, many things have been done to bring us where we are today in our lack of understanding of dark energy, as a very minor technical note, I wish to mention just a bit regarding the following two remarks quoted below:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"<br />
That Type Ia SN have a typical luminosity of 10^43 ers/s, which we learned from figuring out how to measure distances to nearby galaxies that happened to host Type Ia Sn in the past, using a list of facts that is much longer than this one.<br />
&#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>It was important to learn that Type Ia SN had a typical luminosity, but not what its value was, to discover the accelerating Universe.  Doing this was certainly aided by other known distance indicators, although after the fact SNe Ia alone can tell you that they are standard(izable) candles.  It was not important to know what the luminosity was in erg/s.  Speaking of which,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"<br />
takes for granted that we know even more basic things like &#8220;how do I calibrate how many ergs/s are coming from an astronomical object that I detect as a fuzzy blotch in my CCD detector?&#8221;.<br />
&#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>As observers, we don&#8217;t really actually have a good answer to this question.  I can tell you how many erg/s are hitting my detector rather well.  However, relating that to how many erg/s were actually emitted by the astronomical object  in the given area subtended by our aperture is a far more challenging problem. Our ability to make relative measurements is far, far greater than our ability to make absolute measurements.  While we&#8217;re discussing basic research things that should be done in astronomy, this is one of the very important things that we should probably figure out how to do well.  And at the present moment it is in fact future planned dark energy missions/experiments that are most driving this need for basic improvement in how we do astronomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Myhatma Gander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30798</link>
		<dc:creator>Myhatma Gander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30798</guid>
		<description>"Plus, he came across as a genuinely nice guy."

He is indeed. Proof: even the people who see him sleeping in their seminars like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plus, he came across as a genuinely nice guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is indeed. Proof: even the people who see him sleeping in their seminars like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Hager</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30816</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Hager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30816</guid>
		<description>How can we be sure that Sean or maybe even Quasar9 himself is not one of the aliens and is using this fabulous cloaking device on us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we be sure that Sean or maybe even Quasar9 himself is not one of the aliens and is using this fabulous cloaking device on us?</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30815</link>
		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30815</guid>
		<description>Heck for most people I talk to it is the other way around. We studied physics because we were curious about how the world works and now we find ourselves doing calculations that have almost certainly no, or at best a tenuous connection to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck for most people I talk to it is the other way around. We studied physics because we were curious about how the world works and now we find ourselves doing calculations that have almost certainly no, or at best a tenuous connection to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30814</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30814</guid>
		<description>There's an old cliche that nobody believes a theorist's result except the theorist himself, and everybody believes an experimenter's (or observer's) result &lt;i&gt;except&lt;/i&gt; the experimenter herself.

Old cliches, of course, get to be old cliches by being true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an old cliche that nobody believes a theorist&#8217;s result except the theorist himself, and everybody believes an experimenter&#8217;s (or observer&#8217;s) result <i>except</i> the experimenter herself.</p>
<p>Old cliches, of course, get to be old cliches by being true.</p>
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		<title>By: Qubit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30813</link>
		<dc:creator>Qubit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/07/why-its-ok-not-to-be-sean/#comment-30813</guid>
		<description>The more you think about something that exists; the more it seems like it is not real! The more you think about something that does not exist; the more it seems real!

The closer you get to the Theory Of Everything, the closer you get to not being real. The further you get from a TOE, the closer you are to being real! The TOE is not real or imaginary; it’s the real Theory Of Everything that’s imaginary!

It really does not matter what I think about or read about, I simply cannot say whether I exist or not. It seems to me that the reason I am here; is because everybody else exists, but that does not mean I am real or still alive (Watch V for Vendetta). I just have to have the imaginary potential to collapse everybody else’s imaginary potential so I can be observed as real, even if I have never been born! Failing that; I just have to have the potential to observe an object that can have more potential than any Theory Of Everything, then slide down the hill on the other side. Black Holes and dark matter are boring and governed by relativity, "Nonsense is where it’s at now!"


Qubit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more you think about something that exists; the more it seems like it is not real! The more you think about something that does not exist; the more it seems real!</p>
<p>The closer you get to the Theory Of Everything, the closer you get to not being real. The further you get from a TOE, the closer you are to being real! The TOE is not real or imaginary; it’s the real Theory Of Everything that’s imaginary!</p>
<p>It really does not matter what I think about or read about, I simply cannot say whether I exist or not. It seems to me that the reason I am here; is because everybody else exists, but that does not mean I am real or still alive (Watch V for Vendetta). I just have to have the imaginary potential to collapse everybody else’s imaginary potential so I can be observed as real, even if I have never been born! Failing that; I just have to have the potential to observe an object that can have more potential than any Theory Of Everything, then slide down the hill on the other side. Black Holes and dark matter are boring and governed by relativity, &#8220;Nonsense is where it’s at now!&#8221;</p>
<p>Qubit</p>
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