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		<title>By: Hey, I Uploaded a Video &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-298869</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey, I Uploaded a Video &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just as soon lurk behind the scenes, we now have video captured from the C-SPAN broadcast of our science panel at YearlyKos. Here is my talk, conveniently divided into two pieces to appease the YouTube gods. They are a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-298135</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, this automated political argument bot is great fun:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this automated political argument bot is great fun:</p>
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		<title>By: Neil B.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297958</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Obama is appealing but many of us do worry about inexperience. However, some points to keep in mind, that are already being confused or misrepresented by either careless mediawonks or Obama's enemies:

1. Obama didn't say, that he wouldn't ask Musharraf first about striking in Pakistan. He also didn't say he'd topple Mushie or such. He said, if Mushie wouldn't agree, then we'd strike (like in Waziristan) if we had a major target like Osama or maybe nuclear prep. site (terrorist, not Pakistani.) Now, what right-winger wouldn't get raves for saying that? So they can't honestly criticize Obama for that. If they mean, he shouldn't have said it, maybe - but what is a candidate supposed to do if asked about that, just give another mushy answer about Mushie? Maybe it was better to go ahead and say what most Presidents would actually do if enough danger existed, that's part of Obama's approach versus the same old doubletalk, isn't it?

2. There's no contradiction between Obama first saying that he'd meet with some unsavory world leaders, and he's against the war in Iraq, versus the threat described in #1. Meeting with the leaders doesn't mean you can't do something ugly once in a while around them, and such meetings happen partly to tell them what they can and can't get away with (it is rather strongly suspected that we told Pakistan after 9-11, they'd be toast if they didn't cooperate. I don't know how literal "toast" is here, but...)

Also, being against a given badly conceived and executed war is not being a peacenick, that would be contradictory about striking against more immediate enemies in an effective way. Indeed, lots of Democrats' gripe against Bush's Iraq misadventure was that we should have finished up better in Afghanistan and maybe even made some incursions into Pakistan instead.

3. About saying no nukes, well...I'll pass on that, since there is a lot of deep gaming about what we should say. But even then, maybe lots of voters actually want to know what a candidate thinks. In any case, it's premature to rule out Obama as serious on defense and rule Hillary in as the required front runner.

For comparison, here is some of what Hillary and others said about the same subject:

Clinton, 8/2: "... (Clinton) did not rule out U.S. attacks inside Pakistan, citing the missile attacks her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, ordered against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998.

"'If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured,' (Clinton) said."

&lt;a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/8/2/worldupdates/2007-08-02T023102Z_01_" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

Edwards, 8/2:

"My belief is that we have a responsibility to find bin Laden and al Qaeda wherever they operate," Edwards said on camera. "I think we need to maximize pressure on Musharraf and the Pakistani government. If they can't do the job, then we have to do it." 

via Kos, &lt;a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/2/83618/60782" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

Well, it now looks like Hillary will be it, but Obama had a good run at it, and still has a chance.
If it's both: Hillary-Obama, the rednecks will never live it down if they win... Black man and white woman together in the White House! (Well, technically the Veep lives down the road, but the idea...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Obama is appealing but many of us do worry about inexperience. However, some points to keep in mind, that are already being confused or misrepresented by either careless mediawonks or Obama&#8217;s enemies:</p>
<p>1. Obama didn&#8217;t say, that he wouldn&#8217;t ask Musharraf first about striking in Pakistan. He also didn&#8217;t say he&#8217;d topple Mushie or such. He said, if Mushie wouldn&#8217;t agree, then we&#8217;d strike (like in Waziristan) if we had a major target like Osama or maybe nuclear prep. site (terrorist, not Pakistani.) Now, what right-winger wouldn&#8217;t get raves for saying that? So they can&#8217;t honestly criticize Obama for that. If they mean, he shouldn&#8217;t have said it, maybe - but what is a candidate supposed to do if asked about that, just give another mushy answer about Mushie? Maybe it was better to go ahead and say what most Presidents would actually do if enough danger existed, that&#8217;s part of Obama&#8217;s approach versus the same old doubletalk, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>2. There&#8217;s no contradiction between Obama first saying that he&#8217;d meet with some unsavory world leaders, and he&#8217;s against the war in Iraq, versus the threat described in #1. Meeting with the leaders doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t do something ugly once in a while around them, and such meetings happen partly to tell them what they can and can&#8217;t get away with (it is rather strongly suspected that we told Pakistan after 9-11, they&#8217;d be toast if they didn&#8217;t cooperate. I don&#8217;t know how literal &#8220;toast&#8221; is here, but&#8230;)</p>
<p>Also, being against a given badly conceived and executed war is not being a peacenick, that would be contradictory about striking against more immediate enemies in an effective way. Indeed, lots of Democrats&#8217; gripe against Bush&#8217;s Iraq misadventure was that we should have finished up better in Afghanistan and maybe even made some incursions into Pakistan instead.</p>
<p>3. About saying no nukes, well&#8230;I&#8217;ll pass on that, since there is a lot of deep gaming about what we should say. But even then, maybe lots of voters actually want to know what a candidate thinks. In any case, it&#8217;s premature to rule out Obama as serious on defense and rule Hillary in as the required front runner.</p>
<p>For comparison, here is some of what Hillary and others said about the same subject:</p>
<p>Clinton, 8/2: &#8220;&#8230; (Clinton) did not rule out U.S. attacks inside Pakistan, citing the missile attacks her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, ordered against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;If we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured,&#8217; (Clinton) said.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/8/2/worldupdates/2007-08-02T023102Z_01_" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Edwards, 8/2:</p>
<p>&#8220;My belief is that we have a responsibility to find bin Laden and al Qaeda wherever they operate,&#8221; Edwards said on camera. &#8220;I think we need to maximize pressure on Musharraf and the Pakistani government. If they can&#8217;t do the job, then we have to do it.&#8221; </p>
<p>via Kos, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/2/83618/60782" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Well, it now looks like Hillary will be it, but Obama had a good run at it, and still has a chance.<br />
If it&#8217;s both: Hillary-Obama, the rednecks will never live it down if they win&#8230; Black man and white woman together in the White House! (Well, technically the Veep lives down the road, but the idea&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Myhatma Gander</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297770</link>
		<dc:creator>Myhatma Gander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicans make me sick. But then I look at the Kossacks, with all those pious "progressive values", and I just want to laugh. What a choice.

*The* worst thing GWB has done is to make both brands of bullshit more powerful. Come back Mr Clinton, all is forgiven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans make me sick. But then I look at the Kossacks, with all those pious &#8220;progressive values&#8221;, and I just want to laugh. What a choice.</p>
<p>*The* worst thing GWB has done is to make both brands of bullshit more powerful. Come back Mr Clinton, all is forgiven.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297749</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The balanced-budget amendment, I don't know where to start.  I presume you guys don't believe in mortgages, either?  Thinking that a BBA is a bad idea is one of those rare positions that bring &lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/29702.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;libertarians&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/1996/49/b350433.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;liberals&lt;/a&gt; together.  The &lt;a href="http://www.cbpp.org/bba.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Center on Budget and Policy Priorities&lt;/a&gt; has a useful overview.

Here's a stab:  (1)  The whole thing is ridiculously ill-defined, as the budget is an &lt;em&gt;estimate&lt;/em&gt; of &lt;em&gt;next&lt;/em&gt; year's spending vs. revenue.  (2) Zero public debt would actually be a bad thing, as it destroys the ability of the federal government to effectively manage the money supply.  (The feds have different responsibilities than states, you know.)  Some debt is a good idea.  (3)  The "exceptions" will either be too narrow to be give the desired flexibility, or so broad that the whole thing will be useless.  Not to mention (4) in our actual world, a BBA is only supported by people who lack the willpower to actually balance the damn budget, and want a cheap symbolic action.

Getting the budget close to balance is a good idea, and can be done without mucking around with the Constitution.  Clinton and Congress actually did it, remember?  Constitutional amendments are almost always publicity stunts, not thoughtful policy proposals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The balanced-budget amendment, I don&#8217;t know where to start.  I presume you guys don&#8217;t believe in mortgages, either?  Thinking that a BBA is a bad idea is one of those rare positions that bring <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/29702.html" rel="nofollow">libertarians</a> and <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/1996/49/b350433.htm" rel="nofollow">liberals</a> together.  The <a href="http://www.cbpp.org/bba.htm" rel="nofollow">Center on Budget and Policy Priorities</a> has a useful overview.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a stab:  (1)  The whole thing is ridiculously ill-defined, as the budget is an <em>estimate</em> of <em>next</em> year&#8217;s spending vs. revenue.  (2) Zero public debt would actually be a bad thing, as it destroys the ability of the federal government to effectively manage the money supply.  (The feds have different responsibilities than states, you know.)  Some debt is a good idea.  (3)  The &#8220;exceptions&#8221; will either be too narrow to be give the desired flexibility, or so broad that the whole thing will be useless.  Not to mention (4) in our actual world, a BBA is only supported by people who lack the willpower to actually balance the damn budget, and want a cheap symbolic action.</p>
<p>Getting the budget close to balance is a good idea, and can be done without mucking around with the Constitution.  Clinton and Congress actually did it, remember?  Constitutional amendments are almost always publicity stunts, not thoughtful policy proposals.</p>
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		<title>By: JimV</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297734</link>
		<dc:creator>JimV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Buchanan beat me to it, but I didn't get the memo about balanced-budget amendments either.  Unworkable in general, even with exceptions built in?  Richardson's specific version no good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Buchanan beat me to it, but I didn&#8217;t get the memo about balanced-budget amendments either.  Unworkable in general, even with exceptions built in?  Richardson&#8217;s specific version no good?</p>
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		<title>By: David Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297730</link>
		<dc:creator>David Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am kinda curious.  How does supporting a responsible balanced budget amendment, one that calls for exceptions during war or economic crisis, remove a candidate from contention as a serious candidate?  Does that mean in order to be a serious candidate, someone must support deficit spending?  Ah, that's why we only have one governor running for President.  Only Governors have responsibility for balancing expenditures against revenues.

So, please tell me, what is wrong with living within our means as a country?  You have to do it, I have to do it, businesses have to do it or they go bankrupt.  Why not the country?

A Balanced Budget Amendment simply means you pay as you go.  If you want a new program, then find the money for it first; either by reducing one program or raising revenue.  

Hmmmm......that's what I do when I want to make a purchase.

Just makes good sense....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am kinda curious.  How does supporting a responsible balanced budget amendment, one that calls for exceptions during war or economic crisis, remove a candidate from contention as a serious candidate?  Does that mean in order to be a serious candidate, someone must support deficit spending?  Ah, that&#8217;s why we only have one governor running for President.  Only Governors have responsibility for balancing expenditures against revenues.</p>
<p>So, please tell me, what is wrong with living within our means as a country?  You have to do it, I have to do it, businesses have to do it or they go bankrupt.  Why not the country?</p>
<p>A Balanced Budget Amendment simply means you pay as you go.  If you want a new program, then find the money for it first; either by reducing one program or raising revenue.  </p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s what I do when I want to make a purchase.</p>
<p>Just makes good sense&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Foster</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/08/06/yk-report/#comment-297728</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sean, thanks for the shout out. I've been really encouraged by the support of physicists and scientists in the community. 

Look forward to bringing real change in Washington and especially to our science policy. 

Thanks again, 

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sean, thanks for the shout out. I&#8217;ve been really encouraged by the support of physicists and scientists in the community. </p>
<p>Look forward to bringing real change in Washington and especially to our science policy. </p>
<p>Thanks again, </p>
<p>Bill</p>
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