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	<title>Comments on: Smolin on Einstein in The New York Review of Books</title>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-273188</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I learned more about a missing daughter of Maric and Einstein, and Einstein's late life affair in Princeton, I lost much sympathy for the man as any kind of human being to emulate.  Einstein should be remembered for his scientific works and not for much else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I learned more about a missing daughter of Maric and Einstein, and Einstein&#8217;s late life affair in Princeton, I lost much sympathy for the man as any kind of human being to emulate.  Einstein should be remembered for his scientific works and not for much else.</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-273138</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 07:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CapitalistImperialistPig wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone who goes into physics for money or power is not likely to be bright enough for physics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dear CIP,

That's exactly my point.  Physics is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; currently linked to money and power.  If it were somehow linked by, say, a crazy new law setting the minimum wage for physicists to be $400,000/year, being a physicist would suddenly become a cool thing to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CapitalistImperialistPig wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone who goes into physics for money or power is not likely to be bright enough for physics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dear CIP,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly my point.  Physics is <i>not</i> currently linked to money and power.  If it were somehow linked by, say, a crazy new law setting the minimum wage for physicists to be $400,000/year, being a physicist would suddenly become a cool thing to be.</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-270882</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/12538" rel="nofollow"&gt;Oppenheimer on Einstein&lt;/a&gt; should not be missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/12538" rel="nofollow">Oppenheimer on Einstein</a> should not be missed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Farrell</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-270401</link>
		<dc:creator>John Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice little touch about Einstein that I discovered while researching my book on Lemaitre: when Lemaitre met him in the early 30s to discuss his GR model, Einstein's wife had put a strict daily limit on how much tobacco he could smoke in his pipe; so Einstein would bum cigarettes off Lemaitre during their walks outside, open them and stuff the tobacco into his pipe.

Again, very human, but not the kind of thing you'll learn in standard bios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice little touch about Einstein that I discovered while researching my book on Lemaitre: when Lemaitre met him in the early 30s to discuss his GR model, Einstein&#8217;s wife had put a strict daily limit on how much tobacco he could smoke in his pipe; so Einstein would bum cigarettes off Lemaitre during their walks outside, open them and stuff the tobacco into his pipe.</p>
<p>Again, very human, but not the kind of thing you&#8217;ll learn in standard bios.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, CIP, I have found that being a physicist always worked pretty well with the laydeez. Back when I was single, mind. Maybe it was my steely gaze, handsome face and witty repartee at work*.

*Not likely, for almost all meanings of 'not'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, CIP, I have found that being a physicist always worked pretty well with the laydeez. Back when I was single, mind. Maybe it was my steely gaze, handsome face and witty repartee at work*.</p>
<p>*Not likely, for almost all meanings of &#8216;not&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Nichols</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-268537</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 07:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yvette
"As long as weâ€™re bringing up examples of physicists who went off to do other things letâ€™s not forget Brian May, who is to my knowledge the only physicist who has gone platinum."

..and is currently finishing the PhD dissertation on Interplanetary Dust he interrupted 35 years ago, after he joined Queen.

See Bri's Soapbox
http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssb.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yvette<br />
&#8220;As long as weâ€™re bringing up examples of physicists who went off to do other things letâ€™s not forget Brian May, who is to my knowledge the only physicist who has gone platinum.&#8221;</p>
<p>..and is currently finishing the PhD dissertation on Interplanetary Dust he interrupted 35 years ago, after he joined Queen.</p>
<p>See Bri&#8217;s Soapbox<br />
<a href="http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssb.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-268245</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belizean,

Anyone who goes into physics for money or power is not likely to be bright enough for physics.  And last time I checked, "I am a physicist" was roughly as effective a pick-up line as "I live with my mother," though marginally more effective than "I'm on parole on child pornography charges" and clearly less effective than "I'm an escaped axe murderer."

The situation for women may be slightly different.  As a female undergrad at Caltech wrote: "for a woman here, the odds are good but the goods are odd."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belizean,</p>
<p>Anyone who goes into physics for money or power is not likely to be bright enough for physics.  And last time I checked, &#8220;I am a physicist&#8221; was roughly as effective a pick-up line as &#8220;I live with my mother,&#8221; though marginally more effective than &#8220;I&#8217;m on parole on child pornography charges&#8221; and clearly less effective than &#8220;I&#8217;m an escaped axe murderer.&#8221;</p>
<p>The situation for women may be slightly different.  As a female undergrad at Caltech wrote: &#8220;for a woman here, the odds are good but the goods are odd.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-267845</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 16:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Mark, you are correct, that was a good review; interesting, lengthy, and written well. It makes me want to read all those Einstein books. (As if I don't have 20 zillion other books to read!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Mark, you are correct, that was a good review; interesting, lengthy, and written well. It makes me want to read all those Einstein books. (As if I don&#8217;t have 20 zillion other books to read!)</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-267688</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 12:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't worry too much about unflattering stereotypes of physicists reducing the talent pool.  Any young person deterred from entering physics for this reason is of exceedingly limited perspicacity and therefore unlikely to be talented in physics, where perceiving the truth of things is the name of the game.   Any young person whose repulsion from physics based of such stereotypes exceeds her attraction based on the nature of the subject isn't much interested in physics.

If you want to create more interest in physics as a career choice among people are aren't particularly interested in physics, you must connect it to the things that most people &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; interested in: money, power, and sex.   Because of a perceived connection between these things and the legal profession, law schools have a surplus of applicants despite lawyers being generally regarded as lying scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about unflattering stereotypes of physicists reducing the talent pool.  Any young person deterred from entering physics for this reason is of exceedingly limited perspicacity and therefore unlikely to be talented in physics, where perceiving the truth of things is the name of the game.   Any young person whose repulsion from physics based of such stereotypes exceeds her attraction based on the nature of the subject isn&#8217;t much interested in physics.</p>
<p>If you want to create more interest in physics as a career choice among people are aren&#8217;t particularly interested in physics, you must connect it to the things that most people <i>are</i> interested in: money, power, and sex.   Because of a perceived connection between these things and the legal profession, law schools have a surplus of applicants despite lawyers being generally regarded as lying scum.</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #23:

Conflicting anecdotes:

"Flirt harder, I'm a physicist" (APS - Best Slogan contest)

then again:

"Physics is like sex, sure it might produce practical results sometimes, but that's not why we do it." (Feynman)
"Love is a matter of chemistry, sex is a matter of physics."

But:
Legend has it that Brown came up with his motion idea at a crowded Party and Pauli thought of his exclusion principle while watching the dancers in a Paris Nightclub.

Apparently physicists truly only ever think of one thing:
http://xkcd.com/c69.html

There is no escape:
http://xkcd.com/c230.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #23:</p>
<p>Conflicting anecdotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Flirt harder, I&#8217;m a physicist&#8221; (APS - Best Slogan contest)</p>
<p>then again:</p>
<p>&#8220;Physics is like sex, sure it might produce practical results sometimes, but that&#8217;s not why we do it.&#8221; (Feynman)<br />
&#8220;Love is a matter of chemistry, sex is a matter of physics.&#8221;</p>
<p>But:<br />
Legend has it that Brown came up with his motion idea at a crowded Party and Pauli thought of his exclusion principle while watching the dancers in a Paris Nightclub.</p>
<p>Apparently physicists truly only ever think of one thing:<br />
<a href="http://xkcd.com/c69.html" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/c69.html</a></p>
<p>There is no escape:<br />
<a href="http://xkcd.com/c230.html" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/c230.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 09:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we're bringing up examples of physicists who went off to do other things let's not forget Brian May, who is to my knowledge the only physicist who has gone platinum. :) And there was a reason Bill Amend kept putting geek references into &lt;i&gt;Foxtrot&lt;/i&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re bringing up examples of physicists who went off to do other things let&#8217;s not forget Brian May, who is to my knowledge the only physicist who has gone platinum. <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> And there was a reason Bill Amend kept putting geek references into <i>Foxtrot</i>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-267346</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 08:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &lt;a href="http://phy.asu.edu/faculty/jeff_drucker.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jeff Drucker&lt;/a&gt; is a rock hound. Plus, there's always Clifford's photos...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://phy.asu.edu/faculty/jeff_drucker.php" rel="nofollow">Jeff Drucker</a> is a rock hound. Plus, there&#8217;s always Clifford&#8217;s photos&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-267343</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 08:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I just don't feel like wading through the comments. But it's worth noting that people have all sorts of outside interests. For example, Paul Kwiat is an &lt;a href="http://www.uni.uiuc.edu/gargoyle/images/2007/03/02/reliving_agora_days_pt_2/swing_teacher.JPG" rel="nofollow"&gt;avid swing dancer&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I just don&#8217;t feel like wading through the comments. But it&#8217;s worth noting that people have all sorts of outside interests. For example, Paul Kwiat is an <a href="http://www.uni.uiuc.edu/gargoyle/images/2007/03/02/reliving_agora_days_pt_2/swing_teacher.JPG" rel="nofollow">avid swing dancer</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-266966</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 03:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Schrodinger example is well known (as is that of Einstein).
Less well known than they deserve to be are that Schrodinger's wife at the time was having an affair with Weyl and, my favorite example, that Max Born is Olivia Newton John's grandfather. 

On the other hand there is probably a reason these cases are rare. 
Robert Lucky liked to repeat an anecdote that had him bumping into a hooker at Las Vegas who bemoaned whenever there was an engineering convention in town because they generated so much less business than other conventions. I suspect the hooker take from the annual APS convention is even more meager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Schrodinger example is well known (as is that of Einstein).<br />
Less well known than they deserve to be are that Schrodinger&#8217;s wife at the time was having an affair with Weyl and, my favorite example, that Max Born is Olivia Newton John&#8217;s grandfather. </p>
<p>On the other hand there is probably a reason these cases are rare.<br />
Robert Lucky liked to repeat an anecdote that had him bumping into a hooker at Las Vegas who bemoaned whenever there was an engineering convention in town because they generated so much less business than other conventions. I suspect the hooker take from the annual APS convention is even more meager.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sure there are stereotypes around, but that's nothing specific to theoretical physicists, one finds it in many other fields as well. Psychologists analyze you all the time, people in advertisement drive flashy cabriolets, models have eating disorders, car salesmen are liars, politicians are cheaters, doctors of medicine are the gods in white, nurses are their angles, and all artists take drugs. OF COURSE the only thing relevant about my life is sex and science. To bad Einstein died before I was born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure there are stereotypes around, but that&#8217;s nothing specific to theoretical physicists, one finds it in many other fields as well. Psychologists analyze you all the time, people in advertisement drive flashy cabriolets, models have eating disorders, car salesmen are liars, politicians are cheaters, doctors of medicine are the gods in white, nurses are their angles, and all artists take drugs. OF COURSE the only thing relevant about my life is sex and science. To bad Einstein died before I was born.</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-266750</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm all for realistic portrayals of scientists and everybody else, but I'm far from convinced that that would be a useful recruiting tool.  Theoretical physicists are indeed members of the human race, but the fact is, the good ones spend most of their time living in their heads, thinking about things that most people don't understand.  To many people that sounds excruciatingly boring or forbidding, or both.

Scientists who become rich or famous often indulge the luxuries and vices available to the rich and famous.  Does that make them more attactive role models?  Maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for realistic portrayals of scientists and everybody else, but I&#8217;m far from convinced that that would be a useful recruiting tool.  Theoretical physicists are indeed members of the human race, but the fact is, the good ones spend most of their time living in their heads, thinking about things that most people don&#8217;t understand.  To many people that sounds excruciatingly boring or forbidding, or both.</p>
<p>Scientists who become rich or famous often indulge the luxuries and vices available to the rich and famous.  Does that make them more attactive role models?  Maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-266548</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. post #15.

Nic,

One doesn't need to understand French to see that it *is* possible to be an acclaimed Physicist who looks like a "normal" working person. De Gennes is quite the antithesis of the stereotypical poorly groomed Physicist!
In a jacket sans those tell-tale academic elbow patches, one could easily mistake him for a lawyer or businessman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. post #15.</p>
<p>Nic,</p>
<p>One doesn&#8217;t need to understand French to see that it *is* possible to be an acclaimed Physicist who looks like a &#8220;normal&#8221; working person. De Gennes is quite the antithesis of the stereotypical poorly groomed Physicist!<br />
In a jacket sans those tell-tale academic elbow patches, one could easily mistake him for a lawyer or businessman.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Williams</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-266363</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/12538" rel="nofollow"&gt;Robert Oppenheimer's 1966 piece&lt;/a&gt;, also for NYRB, is also worth reading. On Einstein, "As always, the myth has its charms; but the truth is far more beautiful."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/12538" rel="nofollow">Robert Oppenheimer&#8217;s 1966 piece</a>, also for NYRB, is also worth reading. On Einstein, &#8220;As always, the myth has its charms; but the truth is far more beautiful.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 14:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point. It's not that we are fully normal, it's that besides the super hero powers that come with the job, we are also normal. Agreed.

Still, science is not a job like every other. Every working scientist has made choices that put acquiring knowledge over acquiring money. There are few other fields where you find people so passionate about what they do.

I would like to think that these are the strongest and most honest selling points. To emphasize that this awesome occupation is being filled by human beings certainly can't hurt though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point. It&#8217;s not that we are fully normal, it&#8217;s that besides the super hero powers that come with the job, we are also normal. Agreed.</p>
<p>Still, science is not a job like every other. Every working scientist has made choices that put acquiring knowledge over acquiring money. There are few other fields where you find people so passionate about what they do.</p>
<p>I would like to think that these are the strongest and most honest selling points. To emphasize that this awesome occupation is being filled by human beings certainly can&#8217;t hurt though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/05/27/smolin-on-einstein-in-the-new-york-review-of-books/#comment-266328</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi fh,

The post is not about an aspiration to appear normal, it is more about the fact that the lives of most scientists &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;, in most aspects, similar to those of most of the population. They fall in love; they worry about what others think; they have children; they worry about their education; they make some smart choices about their lives; they make other choices that end up as disasters, sometimes in their personal lives; some like sport, some don't; they are baudy; some have stable marriages, others divorce multiply, or have affairs, or both.

I often think that precisely the opposite of "aspiring to be normal" is true of many academic scientists - they work hard to create the illusion of a life without the concerns of non-academics.

The point I'm making in the post is that the idea of scientists as very different from most people in ways other than merely their scientific abilities and inclinations acts as a barrier to people entering the field. If this was what scientists were really like, then I'd say "so be it" and have no interest in us "appearing to be normal". But I think the truth is that most scientists are quite normal in most respects, and that we are shooting ourselves in the foot by perpetuating this illusion of the ethereal geek.

Concerning your other point; In my own experience I've found that the stereotypes in the UK and the US are pretty much the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi fh,</p>
<p>The post is not about an aspiration to appear normal, it is more about the fact that the lives of most scientists <em>are</em>, in most aspects, similar to those of most of the population. They fall in love; they worry about what others think; they have children; they worry about their education; they make some smart choices about their lives; they make other choices that end up as disasters, sometimes in their personal lives; some like sport, some don&#8217;t; they are baudy; some have stable marriages, others divorce multiply, or have affairs, or both.</p>
<p>I often think that precisely the opposite of &#8220;aspiring to be normal&#8221; is true of many academic scientists - they work hard to create the illusion of a life without the concerns of non-academics.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m making in the post is that the idea of scientists as very different from most people in ways other than merely their scientific abilities and inclinations acts as a barrier to people entering the field. If this was what scientists were really like, then I&#8217;d say &#8220;so be it&#8221; and have no interest in us &#8220;appearing to be normal&#8221;. But I think the truth is that most scientists are quite normal in most respects, and that we are shooting ourselves in the foot by perpetuating this illusion of the ethereal geek.</p>
<p>Concerning your other point; In my own experience I&#8217;ve found that the stereotypes in the UK and the US are pretty much the same.</p>
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