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	<title>Comments on: Knowing How to Wear Clothes</title>
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		<title>By: PinkQuark6</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28188</link>
		<dc:creator>PinkQuark6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that "Yet...". I'll work on it. I certainly have a LOT to say about that ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that &#8220;Yet&#8230;&#8221;. I&#8217;ll work on it. I certainly have a LOT to say about that <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28174</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Joe on the street can keep warm in winter, have some control over his finances and harbor a suspicion that the earth may well go round the sun. Then we have Ed Witten, and we have Kate Moss. Ms Moss' ignorance of the Langlands prgram and 2+1 quantum gravity is as profound as is the good Professor's lack of insight into Kate's ability to make Â£3M by wearing a red dress in a shop window for a couple of minutes, and to declare that 'he (her business partner, billionaire Phillip Green) got his f***ing money's worth'. God given gifts both, and beyond the understanding the rest of us. So don't mock one, without recognising its kinship to the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Joe on the street can keep warm in winter, have some control over his finances and harbor a suspicion that the earth may well go round the sun. Then we have Ed Witten, and we have Kate Moss. Ms Moss&#8217; ignorance of the Langlands prgram and 2+1 quantum gravity is as profound as is the good Professor&#8217;s lack of insight into Kate&#8217;s ability to make Â£3M by wearing a red dress in a shop window for a couple of minutes, and to declare that &#8216;he (her business partner, billionaire Phillip Green) got his f***ing money&#8217;s worth&#8217;. God given gifts both, and beyond the understanding the rest of us. So don&#8217;t mock one, without recognising its kinship to the other.</p>
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		<title>By: alienmist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28160</link>
		<dc:creator>alienmist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ocean 11 was truly awful.. and I am not looking forward to anymore of this torture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ocean 11 was truly awful.. and I am not looking forward to anymore of this torture</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Morgenstern</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28175</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Morgenstern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 18:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28175</guid>
		<description>One of the things that is truely great about being a guy is that you'll always look good in a suit.

It's not about body language or not being fat or being beautiful, it's about perception of male clothing that works in our favour. And it's about money. You'll have to spent upwards of 20 times as much as you spend on your jeans and t-shirt at Walmart or REI. That money is not so much for the garnment but for the middle aged guy that will be honest enough to tell you if something is not for you.

Oh, and wash your hair and don't pick your nose in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that is truely great about being a guy is that you&#8217;ll always look good in a suit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about body language or not being fat or being beautiful, it&#8217;s about perception of male clothing that works in our favour. And it&#8217;s about money. You&#8217;ll have to spent upwards of 20 times as much as you spend on your jeans and t-shirt at Walmart or REI. That money is not so much for the garnment but for the middle aged guy that will be honest enough to tell you if something is not for you.</p>
<p>Oh, and wash your hair and don&#8217;t pick your nose in public.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28158</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 03:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yagwara has a good point about the athletes, but contrast how they look off the field with how they look on it.  when they are in their element, and in uniform they look good. they know they fit that 'suit', and it shows.  When they're off the field, many of them don't really know what to do, and try to show off.  As noted, it rarely works.  Anyone putting on a football uniform looks like an idiot, unless they know how to wear that particular suit.  One could make the same case for the stereotypical professor (suede elbow patches etc.) having to get dressed up in a tux...  No?

Kaleberg also has a point that always makes me wonder about certain pieces of clothing.  High heels for one.  I have never understood them.  The idea that a shoe would be made so uncomfortable, and then it's 'popularity' enforced to the point where people felt they had to wear them...  I'm not really sure what to call that, subjugation?

I tend to prefer the more colorful stuff myself, and unless I'm playing a role or pretending, I can't wear a suit.  Something about the outfit just really makes me uncomfortable.  Wearing it is kind of like a lie.  On the other hand, if the intent is to lie, (act or something) then I can wear one, and carry it off.  It just doesn't last very long.

personally, I believe that Beau Brummel has a lot to answer for.  I would like to stamp his effect on men's fashions into the mud to the bottom of a very polluted river where it belongs.

pardon my grammar...  the subject makes me emotional...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yagwara has a good point about the athletes, but contrast how they look off the field with how they look on it.  when they are in their element, and in uniform they look good. they know they fit that &#8217;suit&#8217;, and it shows.  When they&#8217;re off the field, many of them don&#8217;t really know what to do, and try to show off.  As noted, it rarely works.  Anyone putting on a football uniform looks like an idiot, unless they know how to wear that particular suit.  One could make the same case for the stereotypical professor (suede elbow patches etc.) having to get dressed up in a tux&#8230;  No?</p>
<p>Kaleberg also has a point that always makes me wonder about certain pieces of clothing.  High heels for one.  I have never understood them.  The idea that a shoe would be made so uncomfortable, and then it&#8217;s &#8216;popularity&#8217; enforced to the point where people felt they had to wear them&#8230;  I&#8217;m not really sure what to call that, subjugation?</p>
<p>I tend to prefer the more colorful stuff myself, and unless I&#8217;m playing a role or pretending, I can&#8217;t wear a suit.  Something about the outfit just really makes me uncomfortable.  Wearing it is kind of like a lie.  On the other hand, if the intent is to lie, (act or something) then I can wear one, and carry it off.  It just doesn&#8217;t last very long.</p>
<p>personally, I believe that Beau Brummel has a lot to answer for.  I would like to stamp his effect on men&#8217;s fashions into the mud to the bottom of a very polluted river where it belongs.</p>
<p>pardon my grammar&#8230;  the subject makes me emotional&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28172</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 00:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28172</guid>
		<description>There is actually such a thing as knowing how to wear clothes. Clothing is designed to constrain and reinforce the effect of body movement and placement. Any man who wears a suit now and then recognizes this. There is a whole set of movements that a suit renders awkward, just as their are a number of postures that it enhances. Learning how to wear a suit is more than simply avoiding discomfort.

Have you ever worn steel shank shoes? They aren't very popular these days because they set off metal detectors and they weigh a bit, but they change the way you walk and the way you stand. A steel shank shoe doesn't flex like a sneaker. Watch a movie set in the 1930s or 1950s and watch how the men walk. Then look at a more modern movie set in the same era. One of the neat things about LA Confidential was that the actors actually knew how to wear their clothes.

It is probably even more extreme for women. Few woman reading this will remember the phrase, "displaying one's carriage". Men and women walk differently because of their different pelvic alignment. Men swagger; the angular momentum is counterbalanced by their shoulders. Women roll their hips, but they can keep their upper bodies steady. This not only makes it easier to carry large loads on their heads with minimal additional energy expenditure, but it affords a means of sexual display in which sexual differences are exaggerated. (Consider that women are usually represented as much paler than men, exaggerating the actual difference of perhaps 2 or 3% which results from a  different vitamin D, folic acid tradeoff).

Watch Audrey Hepburn carefully, and see what moves and what doesn't, and how that allows her to take advantage of the flow of her dresses. There are dresses made for swirling and their are dresses made for slinking. I remember one great dress in a Bette Davis movie that was designed for both slinking and swirling, and it probably required a fair bit of coaching and practice to wear. A Chanel suit works best with subtle body movements, but an Armani suit works best with more shoulder motion.

The fashion magazine Allure has had some good articles on wearing clothes. They are into the nutsy boltsy side of fashion and beauty. It's actually more like Make magazine with its how to and how it works approach. I'm not sure if you can find copies in your college library, but it might be worth checking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is actually such a thing as knowing how to wear clothes. Clothing is designed to constrain and reinforce the effect of body movement and placement. Any man who wears a suit now and then recognizes this. There is a whole set of movements that a suit renders awkward, just as their are a number of postures that it enhances. Learning how to wear a suit is more than simply avoiding discomfort.</p>
<p>Have you ever worn steel shank shoes? They aren&#8217;t very popular these days because they set off metal detectors and they weigh a bit, but they change the way you walk and the way you stand. A steel shank shoe doesn&#8217;t flex like a sneaker. Watch a movie set in the 1930s or 1950s and watch how the men walk. Then look at a more modern movie set in the same era. One of the neat things about LA Confidential was that the actors actually knew how to wear their clothes.</p>
<p>It is probably even more extreme for women. Few woman reading this will remember the phrase, &#8220;displaying one&#8217;s carriage&#8221;. Men and women walk differently because of their different pelvic alignment. Men swagger; the angular momentum is counterbalanced by their shoulders. Women roll their hips, but they can keep their upper bodies steady. This not only makes it easier to carry large loads on their heads with minimal additional energy expenditure, but it affords a means of sexual display in which sexual differences are exaggerated. (Consider that women are usually represented as much paler than men, exaggerating the actual difference of perhaps 2 or 3% which results from a  different vitamin D, folic acid tradeoff).</p>
<p>Watch Audrey Hepburn carefully, and see what moves and what doesn&#8217;t, and how that allows her to take advantage of the flow of her dresses. There are dresses made for swirling and their are dresses made for slinking. I remember one great dress in a Bette Davis movie that was designed for both slinking and swirling, and it probably required a fair bit of coaching and practice to wear. A Chanel suit works best with subtle body movements, but an Armani suit works best with more shoulder motion.</p>
<p>The fashion magazine Allure has had some good articles on wearing clothes. They are into the nutsy boltsy side of fashion and beauty. It&#8217;s actually more like Make magazine with its how to and how it works approach. I&#8217;m not sure if you can find copies in your college library, but it might be worth checking.</p>
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		<title>By: How to wear clothes &#171; Later On</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28171</link>
		<dc:creator>How to wear clothes &#171; Later On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted in Daily life, Movies at 10:53 am by LeisureGuy An interesting discussion of &#8220;how to wear clothes&#8221;&#8212;especially the comments. (Leisureguy contributed, you may be sure.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Posted in Daily life, Movies at 10:53 am by LeisureGuy An interesting discussion of &#8220;how to wear clothes&#8221;&#8212;especially the comments. (Leisureguy contributed, you may be sure.) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Leisureguy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28170</link>
		<dc:creator>Leisureguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good example is in the 1969 movie &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064117/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cactus&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, with Walter Matthau, Ingrid Bergman, and Goldie Hawn. The article of clothing in question is a mink stole, worn beautifully by Ingrid Bergman and simply put on by Goldie Hawn. Because the difference in the way the garment is worn is exaggerated, it's an instructive example.

Another example is the writer who wrote about how, when he gets a new suit, he in effect beats it up to subdue it so that he can wear it without its overpowering him---i.e., so he can wear the suit, not have the suit wearing him. Obviously, the beating up is so he can gain the psychological upper hand.

Perhaps it's easier to see in this example: think how a person who can truly afford a new Lamborghini drives it in contrast to a person who stretched to limit to buy one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good example is in the 1969 movie <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064117/" rel="nofollow"><strong><em>Cactus</em></strong></a>, with Walter Matthau, Ingrid Bergman, and Goldie Hawn. The article of clothing in question is a mink stole, worn beautifully by Ingrid Bergman and simply put on by Goldie Hawn. Because the difference in the way the garment is worn is exaggerated, it&#8217;s an instructive example.</p>
<p>Another example is the writer who wrote about how, when he gets a new suit, he in effect beats it up to subdue it so that he can wear it without its overpowering him&#8212;i.e., so he can wear the suit, not have the suit wearing him. Obviously, the beating up is so he can gain the psychological upper hand.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s easier to see in this example: think how a person who can truly afford a new Lamborghini drives it in contrast to a person who stretched to limit to buy one.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Kottner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28173</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Kottner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon H,

Trust me, I've seen Brad Pitt on the street in a rumpled T-shirt &#38; jeans and that detracted not a whit from the glamour. That's what the root meaning of glamour is: a spell cast on the beholder to make the beheld more attractive than s/he really is. I've never seen a rumpled T-shirt and jeans looks so, so . . . fabulous.  It's all about the 'tude. Sean, be the suit.  You'll look fabulous too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon H,</p>
<p>Trust me, I&#8217;ve seen Brad Pitt on the street in a rumpled T-shirt &amp; jeans and that detracted not a whit from the glamour. That&#8217;s what the root meaning of glamour is: a spell cast on the beholder to make the beheld more attractive than s/he really is. I&#8217;ve never seen a rumpled T-shirt and jeans looks so, so . . . fabulous.  It&#8217;s all about the &#8216;tude. Sean, be the suit.  You&#8217;ll look fabulous too.</p>
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		<title>By: yagwara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/08/knowing-how-to-wear-clothes/#comment-28161</link>
		<dc:creator>yagwara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 07:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To see what it is to "know how to wear clothes", look at those who do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; know how to wear clothes:  most professional athletes.  They are mostly attractive people, and the clothes are probably impeccable, but they just look so darn &lt;em&gt;uncomfortable&lt;/em&gt;.  Like the dress or suit is strangling their very life essence.  (There are obvious exceptions, naturally.)

Of course, the more egregious examples are us scientists and mathematicians.  But it's hard to see clearly that close to home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see what it is to &#8220;know how to wear clothes&#8221;, look at those who do <em>not</em> know how to wear clothes:  most professional athletes.  They are mostly attractive people, and the clothes are probably impeccable, but they just look so darn <em>uncomfortable</em>.  Like the dress or suit is strangling their very life essence.  (There are obvious exceptions, naturally.)</p>
<p>Of course, the more egregious examples are us scientists and mathematicians.  But it&#8217;s hard to see clearly that close to home.</p>
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