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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28087</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and some other Aerospace Engineering Students are posting solutions for textbook problems on &lt;a href="http://www.studentsunited.eu" rel="nofollow"&gt;StudentsUnited.eu&lt;/a&gt;.

It is a Wiki system with a LaTeX plugin so you can render equations.

In the nearby future we will post everything we solve from a textbook on the site.
The more students join us the more accurate it becomes. Also worked out versions of old exams can be submitted and found.

Every student can edit the solutions without registering, just like on Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and some other Aerospace Engineering Students are posting solutions for textbook problems on <a href="http://www.studentsunited.eu" rel="nofollow">StudentsUnited.eu</a>.</p>
<p>It is a Wiki system with a LaTeX plugin so you can render equations.</p>
<p>In the nearby future we will post everything we solve from a textbook on the site.<br />
The more students join us the more accurate it becomes. Also worked out versions of old exams can be submitted and found.</p>
<p>Every student can edit the solutions without registering, just like on Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: bre</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28086</link>
		<dc:creator>bre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28086</guid>
		<description>what is the effect of shape on the density of samples of the same material?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the effect of shape on the density of samples of the same material?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Einspruch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28085</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Einspruch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 02:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28085</guid>
		<description>My company seeks to find a happy medium. Many students turn to sites like Cramster out of sheer laziness. But many do it because they are stuck, royally stuck, and need help at the last moment. So I launched ziizoo.com (http://www.ziizoo.com) - the first marketplace for online, on-demand tutoring. So students can find a tutor late at night and use our whiteboard and tex-chat (and soon audio-chat) to get help. And this is a marketplace populated by independent tutors, not low-cost overseas tutors. Students will always wait until the last moment, but perhaps find a tutor on ziizoo will help wean students off of cheating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company seeks to find a happy medium. Many students turn to sites like Cramster out of sheer laziness. But many do it because they are stuck, royally stuck, and need help at the last moment. So I launched ziizoo.com (http://www.ziizoo.com) - the first marketplace for online, on-demand tutoring. So students can find a tutor late at night and use our whiteboard and tex-chat (and soon audio-chat) to get help. And this is a marketplace populated by independent tutors, not low-cost overseas tutors. Students will always wait until the last moment, but perhaps find a tutor on ziizoo will help wean students off of cheating!</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28083</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 13:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28083</guid>
		<description>Hmmm, Peter's posting suggests that Google has given this page too high a ranking when searching for "homework solutions".

&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=%22homework+solutions%22&#38;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow"&gt;This page is 7-th on the list of search results&lt;/a&gt;  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, Peter&#8217;s posting suggests that Google has given this page too high a ranking when searching for &#8220;homework solutions&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22homework+solutions%22&amp;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow">This page is 7-th on the list of search results</a>  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: PETER</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28061</link>
		<dc:creator>PETER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 11:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28061</guid>
		<description>A SQUARE HAS A PERIMETER OF 36 UNITS. WHAT IS THE AREA OF THE SQUARE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A SQUARE HAS A PERIMETER OF 36 UNITS. WHAT IS THE AREA OF THE SQUARE.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28071</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28071</guid>
		<description>I am someone who likes to see a lot of worked examples when studying how to solve problems; it's why I really like the Landau and Lifschitz books. The existence of lots of solved problems that I can consult is absolutely vital to my learning process. It's better for me to study 5 or 6 solved problems than to spend a couple hours solving one problem on my own, and I don't think it's fair to characterize this as cheating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am someone who likes to see a lot of worked examples when studying how to solve problems; it&#8217;s why I really like the Landau and Lifschitz books. The existence of lots of solved problems that I can consult is absolutely vital to my learning process. It&#8217;s better for me to study 5 or 6 solved problems than to spend a couple hours solving one problem on my own, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to characterize this as cheating.</p>
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		<title>By: zzzaoem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28070</link>
		<dc:creator>zzzaoem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 14:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28070</guid>
		<description>I don't grade homework assignments, partially because the incentives for cheating (and thus not learning) are too large if you do. Students get full credit for simply turning things in. This also allows me to give hard exams and still end up with a reasonable grade distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t grade homework assignments, partially because the incentives for cheating (and thus not learning) are too large if you do. Students get full credit for simply turning things in. This also allows me to give hard exams and still end up with a reasonable grade distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28065</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 13:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28065</guid>
		<description>Sean should actually be much more concerned about his "take-home exams". I think he gave one a year ago or so and posted the problems here too so that we could participate as well.

I have no way of knowing if the problems I do for the homework help companies I work for are take-home exam problems. And even if it was clear that it is a take-home exam problem, there are plenty of online tutors who would help the student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean should actually be much more concerned about his &#8220;take-home exams&#8221;. I think he gave one a year ago or so and posted the problems here too so that we could participate as well.</p>
<p>I have no way of knowing if the problems I do for the homework help companies I work for are take-home exam problems. And even if it was clear that it is a take-home exam problem, there are plenty of online tutors who would help the student.</p>
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		<title>By: grad student</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28060</link>
		<dc:creator>grad student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 10:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28060</guid>
		<description>When the average grade for the HW for an entire semester is 97%, it can mean three things: (i) hw was too easy, (ii) the students know the material really well, (iii) solutions sites are doing their work. I was amazed the first few times when I was the only one missing out on points. Man, some of those problems were hard!

Was it really worth spending 2-3 hrs trying to solve a Jackson problem instead of doing other stuff? Well, you are not going to get it perfect and a get a 10/10 anyways. As Sunny says, it does help you understand the material more when you see the solutions (I also find it very satisfying to read through those elegant solutions once in a while). On the other hand, hw is a big part of one's grade, so it can be unfair. How do you get around that? Do you want to make hw such a big part? Do you want completion of the problems rather than how they are worked? As a professor, will you have the time? There is no fair way of grading hws, it is just something that has to be done...

By the way, working in a  group has the same effect; if one person solves a problem, it goes around to everybody. Is it fair to somebody who chooses to work alone and might not have gotten to the end but got there by himself/herself? Yet do we not envourage working in groups? Do we ask students to do the problems by themselves. If not getting help from online solutions and working through the problem should just be fine ... as long as you understand the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the average grade for the HW for an entire semester is 97%, it can mean three things: (i) hw was too easy, (ii) the students know the material really well, (iii) solutions sites are doing their work. I was amazed the first few times when I was the only one missing out on points. Man, some of those problems were hard!</p>
<p>Was it really worth spending 2-3 hrs trying to solve a Jackson problem instead of doing other stuff? Well, you are not going to get it perfect and a get a 10/10 anyways. As Sunny says, it does help you understand the material more when you see the solutions (I also find it very satisfying to read through those elegant solutions once in a while). On the other hand, hw is a big part of one&#8217;s grade, so it can be unfair. How do you get around that? Do you want to make hw such a big part? Do you want completion of the problems rather than how they are worked? As a professor, will you have the time? There is no fair way of grading hws, it is just something that has to be done&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, working in a  group has the same effect; if one person solves a problem, it goes around to everybody. Is it fair to somebody who chooses to work alone and might not have gotten to the end but got there by himself/herself? Yet do we not envourage working in groups? Do we ask students to do the problems by themselves. If not getting help from online solutions and working through the problem should just be fine &#8230; as long as you understand the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: noway</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28069</link>
		<dc:creator>noway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 05:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/05/02/homework-solutions-online/#comment-28069</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;noway&lt;/b&gt; wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;For that matter, for self-study, what does one do without available solutions?
There are a lot of us in this quandary!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;bizdiets&lt;/b&gt; wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;ever heard of office hours ? ever heard of the various Learning Centers
that exist these days on most campuses (here I'm assuming these Centers
have been ordered to only offer help in finding the solution) ? ever considered
approaching your professor(s) without the "instantly gratify me" attitude ?
have you tried extending your attention span ? have you trained yourself in
the ability to spend more than 10 minutes sitting on a chair in a quiet room
with no cell phone working on hw at a desk that does not have a computer
screen on it ?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, I no longer can give you the benefit of the doubt; it's clear that you do, in fact, have enormous contempt for your students (and your colleagues, too?). It also seems that that contempt extended to your not having read what I wrote.

When I speak of self-study, I am not talking about a homework assignment of three problems due tomorrow morning in class.

I am talking about the repeated working of problems that many students, undergraduate and graduates, do in order to prepare themselves for further work. This is more common with those planning to do a Ph. D. or with foreign students, many of whom are already equipped (as an earlier post noted) with solutions manuals for Griffiths, Jackson, Goldstein, etc. published in their own countries. (I strongly believe that most of the people accessing the online solutions will be foreign undergraduates, actually.)

In these cases, students may not have frequent access to a professor who can explain the problem step by step, may not have any access to a "Learning Center" (not sure what this means, unless you mean the tutoring offered for a few remedial students on some college campuses), and by spending their extra hours in working problems, surely must have already satisfied your criterion of not having given up after ten minutes.

As I said, I understand some of your frustration. I have taught students, ten-year-olds and undergraduates, and many of them have not learned that learning science and maths requires a good deal of work. Many of them have not learned any science or maths, period.

In any case, the point is moot. The textbook solutions exist and are available (and have been available for a long time to Chinese and Indian students), many students find them a valuable resource, and you will soon be sparing yourself the pain of having to deal with the untaught masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>noway</b> wrote:<br />
<blockquote>For that matter, for self-study, what does one do without available solutions?<br />
There are a lot of us in this quandary!</p></blockquote>
<p><b>bizdiets</b> wrote:<br />
<blockquote>ever heard of office hours ? ever heard of the various Learning Centers<br />
that exist these days on most campuses (here I&#8217;m assuming these Centers<br />
have been ordered to only offer help in finding the solution) ? ever considered<br />
approaching your professor(s) without the &#8220;instantly gratify me&#8221; attitude ?<br />
have you tried extending your attention span ? have you trained yourself in<br />
the ability to spend more than 10 minutes sitting on a chair in a quiet room<br />
with no cell phone working on hw at a desk that does not have a computer<br />
screen on it ?</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, I no longer can give you the benefit of the doubt; it&#8217;s clear that you do, in fact, have enormous contempt for your students (and your colleagues, too?). It also seems that that contempt extended to your not having read what I wrote.</p>
<p>When I speak of self-study, I am not talking about a homework assignment of three problems due tomorrow morning in class.</p>
<p>I am talking about the repeated working of problems that many students, undergraduate and graduates, do in order to prepare themselves for further work. This is more common with those planning to do a Ph. D. or with foreign students, many of whom are already equipped (as an earlier post noted) with solutions manuals for Griffiths, Jackson, Goldstein, etc. published in their own countries. (I strongly believe that most of the people accessing the online solutions will be foreign undergraduates, actually.)</p>
<p>In these cases, students may not have frequent access to a professor who can explain the problem step by step, may not have any access to a &#8220;Learning Center&#8221; (not sure what this means, unless you mean the tutoring offered for a few remedial students on some college campuses), and by spending their extra hours in working problems, surely must have already satisfied your criterion of not having given up after ten minutes.</p>
<p>As I said, I understand some of your frustration. I have taught students, ten-year-olds and undergraduates, and many of them have not learned that learning science and maths requires a good deal of work. Many of them have not learned any science or maths, period.</p>
<p>In any case, the point is moot. The textbook solutions exist and are available (and have been available for a long time to Chinese and Indian students), many students find them a valuable resource, and you will soon be sparing yourself the pain of having to deal with the untaught masses.</p>
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