Comments on: It’s Good to See Some Outrage http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/ Random samplings from a universe of ideas. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:25:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: drunk http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27635 drunk Thu, 17 May 2007 22:00:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27635 The root cause is both people and guns, feeding on each other. It was people who took the Constitutional protection of militia and transform it into the popular culture of guns. The gun culture grew and in turn demands ever greater access to arms, and using them to 'solve' everyday problems. Don't like your teacher, boss or spouse? Bang. This cancer of American society, now reached self-sustaining size, will continue to grow until the patient is on the death bed. Unlike just about all other sane developed countries, deeper gun control can no longer work in the US. Only radical high dosage gamma radiation treatment stands a chance. The root cause is both people and guns, feeding on each other. It was people who took the Constitutional protection of militia and transform it into the popular culture of guns. The gun culture grew and in turn demands ever greater access to arms, and using them to ’solve’ everyday problems. Don’t like your teacher, boss or spouse? Bang. This cancer of American society, now reached self-sustaining size, will continue to grow until the patient is on the death bed. Unlike just about all other sane developed countries, deeper gun control can no longer work in the US. Only radical high dosage gamma radiation treatment stands a chance.

]]> By: Count Iblis http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27594 Count Iblis Sun, 06 May 2007 15:09:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27594 Also, the people who are most strongly opposed to gun control tend to be right wing people who think that the US can make Iraq a safe and secure weapons free country :) Also, the people who are most strongly opposed to gun control tend to be right wing people who think that the US can make Iraq a safe and secure weapons free country :)

]]> By: Mark http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27596 Mark Sun, 06 May 2007 14:28:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27596 People do care about it Robert, but it is just plain false to say that sensible gun control won't work. It will reduce the number of deaths dramatically - that is what "working" means. Much as the discussion above has been about this. I don't know anyone who is saying that the availability of guns is the root problem here, and indeed people may use other weapons, but as a practical issue fewer people will die. This would be a good thing, to me at least. People do care about it Robert, but it is just plain false to say that sensible gun control won’t work. It will reduce the number of deaths dramatically - that is what “working” means. Much as the discussion above has been about this.

I don’t know anyone who is saying that the availability of guns is the root problem here, and indeed people may use other weapons, but as a practical issue fewer people will die. This would be a good thing, to me at least.

]]> By: Robert Jones http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27607 Robert Jones Sun, 06 May 2007 05:29:13 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27607 Banning guns will not work. Its really not getting at the root. Guns do not get up and shoot people. I saw much on this on the news but they really did not talk much on motive. just that "he was a troubled person". hmm thats an understatement. This society is a pressure cooker. Get ready for more "Movie - Falling down" type scenarios to play out. If we take the guns away it will be a meat cleaver, sticks or even fists. The source of the problem is not guns but the person and what might have caused this person to snap. Not many seem to care about that. Banning guns will not work. Its really not getting at the root. Guns do not get up and shoot people. I saw much on this on the news but they really did not talk much on motive. just that “he was a troubled person”. hmm thats an understatement.

This society is a pressure cooker. Get ready for more “Movie - Falling down” type scenarios to play out. If we take the guns away it will be a meat cleaver, sticks or even fists. The source of the problem is not guns but the person and what might have caused this person to snap. Not many seem to care about that.

]]> By: drunk http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27638 drunk Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:25:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27638 Oops, you may skip my previous link for gun madness entertainment. The following live action in Kansas City, where the most sacred God-blessed intelligent design replacement for the scientific theory of evolution originates, is so much more exciting: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/29/mall.shooter/index.html Sorry, only 3 shot dead. Oops, you may skip my previous link for gun madness entertainment. The following live action in Kansas City, where the most sacred God-blessed intelligent design replacement for the scientific theory of evolution originates, is so much more exciting:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/29/mall.shooter/index.html

Sorry, only 3 shot dead.

]]> By: alienmist http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27590 alienmist Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:57:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27590 Mark wrote: And killed over 30 people? This is precisely the point. Killing thirty people this days, sadly , is not so hard.. fashioning a bomb in the kitchen using ordinary chemicals would cause a lot carnage and suffering As I said before the modern word always seems to blame something else other than the person who commited the crime.. The list is long.. and it include burgers and alcohol Personal responsibility is the keyword here Mark wrote:

And killed over 30 people? This is precisely the point.

Killing thirty people this days, sadly , is not so hard.. fashioning a bomb in the kitchen using ordinary chemicals would cause a lot carnage and suffering

As I said before the modern word always seems to blame something else other than the person who commited the crime..

The list is long.. and it include burgers and alcohol

Personal responsibility is the keyword here

]]> By: drunk http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27591 drunk Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:23:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27591 I see that this 'outrage' thread has descended into yet another stupid intellectual debate of no consequence. The madness of the gun in America is all consuming, even in blog like CV. May I then present the following animation for your enjoyment: http://www.markfiore.com/animation/guncrazy.html I see that this ‘outrage’ thread has descended into yet another stupid intellectual debate of no consequence. The madness of the gun in America is all consuming, even in blog like CV. May I then present the following animation for your enjoyment:

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/guncrazy.html

]]> By: Robert O'Brien http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27617 Robert O'Brien Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:42:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27617 I think profs* should be armed. That way, if a homicidal crazy bursts into the class with a gun the prof can just turn over a table and return fire. *Except Peezee Myers. I think he should be armed with a red-and-white target. I think profs* should be armed. That way, if a homicidal crazy bursts into the class with a gun the prof can just turn over a table and return fire.

*Except Peezee Myers. I think he should be armed with a red-and-white target.

]]> By: Belizean http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27592 Belizean Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:47:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27592 a conrellian wrote, <blockquote>The question is, how many of these unreported, unprovable but indisputably known to have happened crimes are in fact that product of paranoia and the other sides story goes something like "I was walking down the street and this crazy guy pulled a gun and started screaming at me so i ran...."</blockquote> In most states it's a crime to brandish a weapon. Were I to simply to point my gun whenever I feel slightly threatened, I would be in a world of legal hurt. In order to obtain a concealed weapons permit, one must take a training course that emphasizes that your gun is essentially an emergency life-preservation device to use only in the event of imminent death or grievous injury. Personally, I wouldn't even use my gun were I caught in a convenience store or bank robbery unless I thought that people were about to die otherwise. If you've ever lived in a rough neighborhood in which murder, robbery, assault, and home invasion are common, it's very easy to believe the DOJ's number is valid sans paranoia. By the way, 1.5 million defensive uses of a gun seems to have come from the DOJ during the Clinton administration. a conrellian wrote,

The question is, how many of these unreported, unprovable but indisputably known to have happened crimes are in fact that product of paranoia and the other sides story goes something like “I was walking down the street and this crazy guy pulled a gun and started screaming at me so i ran….”

In most states it’s a crime to brandish a weapon. Were I to simply to point my gun whenever I feel slightly threatened, I would be in a world of legal hurt.

In order to obtain a concealed weapons permit, one must take a training course that emphasizes that your gun is essentially an emergency life-preservation device to use only in the event of imminent death or grievous injury. Personally, I wouldn’t even use my gun were I caught in a convenience store or bank robbery unless I thought that people were about to die otherwise.

If you’ve ever lived in a rough neighborhood in which murder, robbery, assault, and home invasion are common, it’s very easy to believe the DOJ’s number is valid sans paranoia.

By the way, 1.5 million defensive uses of a gun seems to have come from the DOJ during the Clinton administration.

]]> By: a conrellian http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27631 a conrellian Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:30:38 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/04/18/its-good-to-see-some-outrage/#comment-27631 "Case 1: When I'm in my home state, I carry a gun every day. Were I to use my gun to prevent my death, simply by displaying it as an attacker approached, you would not hear of it. The Department of Justice estimates that this sort defensive use of a firearm happens at least a million times per year (DOJ)." The question is, how many of these unreported, unprovable but indisputably known to have happened crimes are in fact that product of paranoia and the other sides story goes something like "I was walking down the street and this crazy guy pulled a gun and started screaming at me so i ran...." “Case 1: When I’m in my home state, I carry a gun every day. Were I to use my gun to prevent my death, simply by displaying it as an attacker approached, you would not hear of it. The Department of Justice estimates that this sort defensive use of a firearm happens at least a million times per year (DOJ).”

The question is, how many of these unreported, unprovable but indisputably known to have happened crimes are in fact that product of paranoia and the other sides story goes something like “I was walking down the street and this crazy guy pulled a gun and started screaming at me so i ran….”

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