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		<title>By: Bacon-Flavored Chocolate &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-300879</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacon-Flavored Chocolate &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is my favorite chocolatier (if you know what I mean). Not only do they blend excellent chocolate with a wide variety of exotic spices to create [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julianne</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-183038</link>
		<dc:creator>Julianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead of buying costly liquor, gargle with raw sewage once a day and then hit youself in the forehead with a ball peen hammer 50 times in a row.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The sewage-hammer maneuver doesn't look as suave in a bar, however.</description>
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<p>The sewage-hammer maneuver doesn&#8217;t look as suave in a bar, however.</p>
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		<title>By: mclaren</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-183032</link>
		<dc:creator>mclaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, single malt scotch whiskey tastes like paint remover, regardless how elaborately or expensively it is produced. For that matter all hard liquor tastes like paint remover. 

Anyone who wastes money on expensive liquor  has gotten duped.  Instead of buying costly liquor, gargle with raw sewage once a day and then hit youself in the forehead with a ball peen hammer 50 times in a row.  You'll save yourself immense amounts of cash and accomplish the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, single malt scotch whiskey tastes like paint remover, regardless how elaborately or expensively it is produced. For that matter all hard liquor tastes like paint remover. </p>
<p>Anyone who wastes money on expensive liquor  has gotten duped.  Instead of buying costly liquor, gargle with raw sewage once a day and then hit youself in the forehead with a ball peen hammer 50 times in a row.  You&#8217;ll save yourself immense amounts of cash and accomplish the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Physicists on chocolate and wine &#171; Decoherent Rambling</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-182463</link>
		<dc:creator>Physicists on chocolate and wine &#171; Decoherent Rambling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hehe, rigorous anecdotes&#8230; (from Sean Carroll at Cosmic Variance) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KL</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-179855</link>
		<dc:creator>KL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and here's my contribution:

http://www.johnandkiras.com/site/Welcome_business.htm

Their biodynamic ginger one was amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and here&#8217;s my contribution:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnandkiras.com/site/Welcome_business.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnandkiras.com/site/Welcome_business.htm</a></p>
<p>Their biodynamic ginger one was amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: KL</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-179852</link>
		<dc:creator>KL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; But the relevant point here is: paying a lot of money really does buy you quality, sometimes.

Or paying in terms of time. Ever tried making chocolate yourself?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; But the relevant point here is: paying a lot of money really does buy you quality, sometimes.</p>
<p>Or paying in terms of time. Ever tried making chocolate yourself?  <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-179379</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are people out there â€” I wonâ€™t name names â€” who harbor a lingering suspicion that anything more upscale than a good Hersheyâ€™s chocolate bar is just an exercise in name recognition, totally divorced from considerations of quality. And that kind of talk makes my sensitive elitist-snob blood boil.&lt;/i&gt;

Since i stopped drinking (now sixteen years ago) i have had to take my "holic" needs away from great Scotches and superb wines (and indeed there are amazing and expensive qualitative differences in both of those beverages) and put them towards chocolate and ice creams.  As with any palate, it is a matter of personal taste and preference, but the essential underlying constructs are the same.  The quality of the cocoa bean (and SA is better than Africa--African child slave labor is what drives the price of cheap inferior beans), the quality of the sugar, and most importantly the quality of the butter/dairy sources.  Chocolate makers in different countries have used regional recipes for the last 500 years or so, and while some prefer the European taste, i am happier with the recipes created in the Americas, long before the bean went east.  

That being said, find a chocolatier who uses a chocolate made in the way you prefer, then work through their selections.  From Europe i prefer the Italian Vente rather than the versions from the North.  From the US, i am a CA boy and really enjoy the work of some of the Sierra and Gold Country studios (yes chocolatiers are artists working in studios).  I passionately recommend you find a sample of one of my favorites (and yes, i used to live in the same small town for 15 years) &lt;a href="http://chocolategod.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;DeGroot's The Truffle Shop in Nevada City, CA&lt;/a&gt;.  The Chocolate Oblivion Torte is to die for, and if you like quality Scotch, try the Highlander Truffle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are people out there â€” I wonâ€™t name names â€” who harbor a lingering suspicion that anything more upscale than a good Hersheyâ€™s chocolate bar is just an exercise in name recognition, totally divorced from considerations of quality. And that kind of talk makes my sensitive elitist-snob blood boil.</i></p>
<p>Since i stopped drinking (now sixteen years ago) i have had to take my &#8220;holic&#8221; needs away from great Scotches and superb wines (and indeed there are amazing and expensive qualitative differences in both of those beverages) and put them towards chocolate and ice creams.  As with any palate, it is a matter of personal taste and preference, but the essential underlying constructs are the same.  The quality of the cocoa bean (and SA is better than Africa&#8211;African child slave labor is what drives the price of cheap inferior beans), the quality of the sugar, and most importantly the quality of the butter/dairy sources.  Chocolate makers in different countries have used regional recipes for the last 500 years or so, and while some prefer the European taste, i am happier with the recipes created in the Americas, long before the bean went east.  </p>
<p>That being said, find a chocolatier who uses a chocolate made in the way you prefer, then work through their selections.  From Europe i prefer the Italian Vente rather than the versions from the North.  From the US, i am a CA boy and really enjoy the work of some of the Sierra and Gold Country studios (yes chocolatiers are artists working in studios).  I passionately recommend you find a sample of one of my favorites (and yes, i used to live in the same small town for 15 years) <a href="http://chocolategod.com/" rel="nofollow">DeGroot&#8217;s The Truffle Shop in Nevada City, CA</a>.  The Chocolate Oblivion Torte is to die for, and if you like quality Scotch, try the Highlander Truffle.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-179160</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my (now) husband and I were shopping for my engagement ring we discovered something like this, too.  We both really enjoyed the process (maybe he liked that I did NOT want him to spend two months' salary!) and we found that we quickly learned to tell the relative qualities of diamonds.  Maybe it was a slow day or something, but one jeweler saw that we were into it and showed us some nice 1/2 carat ones of about the quality we were looking for... and then he brought out the $5000 one just so we could see it.  The quality that a diamond has to be to cost $5000 (quite a few years ago!) at 1/2 carat is amazing, and this one was stunning.  I don't know how to describe it other than that it was like a frozen droplet of pure deep space.  We really appreciated the chance to enjoy something like that... and we bought a perfectly nice much cheaper diamond that's still on my finger right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my (now) husband and I were shopping for my engagement ring we discovered something like this, too.  We both really enjoyed the process (maybe he liked that I did NOT want him to spend two months&#8217; salary!) and we found that we quickly learned to tell the relative qualities of diamonds.  Maybe it was a slow day or something, but one jeweler saw that we were into it and showed us some nice 1/2 carat ones of about the quality we were looking for&#8230; and then he brought out the $5000 one just so we could see it.  The quality that a diamond has to be to cost $5000 (quite a few years ago!) at 1/2 carat is amazing, and this one was stunning.  I don&#8217;t know how to describe it other than that it was like a frozen droplet of pure deep space.  We really appreciated the chance to enjoy something like that&#8230; and we bought a perfectly nice much cheaper diamond that&#8217;s still on my finger right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-179049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the curve is more exponential than logarithmic. A BMW is probably only 30% more expensive than the Japanese "equivalent", but it is many times more satisfying.

What a joy to see political correctness thrown to the winds just once! Hurrah for money and the pleasures it brings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the curve is more exponential than logarithmic. A BMW is probably only 30% more expensive than the Japanese &#8220;equivalent&#8221;, but it is many times more satisfying.</p>
<p>What a joy to see political correctness thrown to the winds just once! Hurrah for money and the pleasures it brings!</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178999</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never tasted a $300 bottle of wine - now I am salivating...


Some See's Candy stores honor a discount for teachers.  Just show them your university ID and get the discount!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never tasted a $300 bottle of wine - now I am salivating&#8230;</p>
<p>Some See&#8217;s Candy stores honor a discount for teachers.  Just show them your university ID and get the discount!</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178927</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"that the cocoa all comes from Ecuador and other South American countries"

Not any more. From wikipedia (figures are millions of metric tons)
Africa is clearly far in the lead, and I'd no idea Cambodia was a significant producer.

 CÃ´te d'Ivoire	1.33
 Ghana	0.74
 Indonesia	0.43
 Nigeria	0.37
 Brazil	0.17
 Cambodia	0.13
 Ecuador	0.09
World Total	3.6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that the cocoa all comes from Ecuador and other South American countries&#8221;</p>
<p>Not any more. From wikipedia (figures are millions of metric tons)<br />
Africa is clearly far in the lead, and I&#8217;d no idea Cambodia was a significant producer.</p>
<p> CÃ´te d&#8217;Ivoire	1.33<br />
 Ghana	0.74<br />
 Indonesia	0.43<br />
 Nigeria	0.37<br />
 Brazil	0.17<br />
 Cambodia	0.13<br />
 Ecuador	0.09<br />
World Total	3.6</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178924</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one can see this same paying for quality at much lower price points.

(1) Ice cream. B&#38;J and Haagen Daasz cost perhaps twice what Dreyers and the store brands cost, but are, IMHO, clearly different and better.
(2) Both Quiznos and Subway will sell you a sandwich containing steak, but the Quiznos one, while costing twice as much, will not have any fat or tendon in it, and will be a whole lot more tender. The same goes for steak burritos at, say, Baja Fresh rather than Del Taco.

Oddly, again IMHO, chocolate is one of those items where this holds rather less, or to put it differently, the bulk stuff (Hersheys or Cadbury's) that you can get in most supermarkets is actually pretty good, and the expensive stuff seems obsessed with making a *different* product (namely very dark chocolate) rather than a superior version of the stuff I like (namely milk chocolate). You can, at Safeway/Vons/Pavilions, and maybe other supermarkets, buy milk chocolate made by Lindt which is about 1.5x the cost of Hersheys and which is, to my mind, clearly better tasting. 
If you want to see what a better class of chocolate might taste like, but don't care for dark chocolate, and would rather spend about $2 than $100, I'd recommend trying a bar of the Lindt milk chocolate (the basic one, not the weird stuff with coconut or orange or whatever added).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one can see this same paying for quality at much lower price points.</p>
<p>(1) Ice cream. B&amp;J and Haagen Daasz cost perhaps twice what Dreyers and the store brands cost, but are, IMHO, clearly different and better.<br />
(2) Both Quiznos and Subway will sell you a sandwich containing steak, but the Quiznos one, while costing twice as much, will not have any fat or tendon in it, and will be a whole lot more tender. The same goes for steak burritos at, say, Baja Fresh rather than Del Taco.</p>
<p>Oddly, again IMHO, chocolate is one of those items where this holds rather less, or to put it differently, the bulk stuff (Hersheys or Cadbury&#8217;s) that you can get in most supermarkets is actually pretty good, and the expensive stuff seems obsessed with making a *different* product (namely very dark chocolate) rather than a superior version of the stuff I like (namely milk chocolate). You can, at Safeway/Vons/Pavilions, and maybe other supermarkets, buy milk chocolate made by Lindt which is about 1.5x the cost of Hersheys and which is, to my mind, clearly better tasting.<br />
If you want to see what a better class of chocolate might taste like, but don&#8217;t care for dark chocolate, and would rather spend about $2 than $100, I&#8217;d recommend trying a bar of the Lindt milk chocolate (the basic one, not the weird stuff with coconut or orange or whatever added).</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that all the fancy European chocolatiers and couvertures never say or put on their boxes, is that the cocoa all comes from Ecuador and other South American countries. But it's always "Made in [insert European country]."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that all the fancy European chocolatiers and couvertures never say or put on their boxes, is that the cocoa all comes from Ecuador and other South American countries. But it&#8217;s always &#8220;Made in [insert European country].&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kemp</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178847</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no opinion on chocolate (being perfectly content with a Hershey's or a Snickers) but IMO life is too short for cheap coffee, cheap wine, cheap whiskey, cheap cigars, or cheap beer.  I'm always willing to spend extra in those areas because quality both matters and costs for all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no opinion on chocolate (being perfectly content with a Hershey&#8217;s or a Snickers) but IMO life is too short for cheap coffee, cheap wine, cheap whiskey, cheap cigars, or cheap beer.  I&#8217;m always willing to spend extra in those areas because quality both matters and costs for all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Gralla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Gralla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Are you enjoying See's candies regularly now that you are in California?  Best quality/money ratio out there by far, in my experience.

-Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Are you enjoying See&#8217;s candies regularly now that you are in California?  Best quality/money ratio out there by far, in my experience.</p>
<p>-Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wine was a Stag's Leap Cab -- I forget the details.  I'm going to wait until someone serves it to me by accident again.  And I presume they have changed the list; this was a few years ago.

Scott, I've certainly joined the Ath, but not sampled the Scotch there yet.  Next time you're in town!

Thanks for catching the Bonnat link, fixed.  I'm not sure that it's a good assumption to think that the Noka chocolate tastes exactly like the Bonnat (although it may be true); it's possible just to melt the couverture down and re-shape it, but it can also be altered in all sorts of ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wine was a Stag&#8217;s Leap Cab &#8212; I forget the details.  I&#8217;m going to wait until someone serves it to me by accident again.  And I presume they have changed the list; this was a few years ago.</p>
<p>Scott, I&#8217;ve certainly joined the Ath, but not sampled the Scotch there yet.  Next time you&#8217;re in town!</p>
<p>Thanks for catching the Bonnat link, fixed.  I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s a good assumption to think that the Noka chocolate tastes exactly like the Bonnat (although it may be true); it&#8217;s possible just to melt the couverture down and re-shape it, but it can also be altered in all sorts of ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I second Collin's question, I have a more important one about the Ritz:
have they fixed the wine list yet? I'd love to drink a $300 bottle for one third the price...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I second Collin&#8217;s question, I have a more important one about the Ritz:<br />
have they fixed the wine list yet? I&#8217;d love to drink a $300 bottle for one third the price&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178809</link>
		<dc:creator>collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean-- What wine, in fact, where you drinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean&#8211; What wine, in fact, where you drinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H.</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178807</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My introduction to single malt came at the Caltech Athenaeum ... have you joined yet?</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Mulraney</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/01/17/the-best-things-in-life-can-be-pricey/#comment-178776</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Mulraney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think by deducing that the chocolate was Bonnat, he reduced the question of &lt;i&gt;how does it taste&lt;/i&gt; to a problem previously solved. I suspect that that was his thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think by deducing that the chocolate was Bonnat, he reduced the question of <i>how does it taste</i> to a problem previously solved. I suspect that that was his thinking.</p>
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