These Imams were faking and goofing on the passengers, and were probably trying to get tossed off the plane just so they could play the victim card and go to court and make a scene. Any judge who allows this is garbage.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
pretend to be terrorists

scare people on a plane
get thrown off claim racism
.

http://www.startribune.com/191/story/866867.html
John

this attitude doesn’t work. If the authorities just follow rules and don’t use their brains, you’ll get nonsensical cases like this.

Some time ago there was trouble about a French pilot who made a joke about a shoe bomb. He was not allowed to fly the plane, which was ridiculous, because a pilot doesn’t need a bomb, he could just fly the plane into a building.

It does not really look like a serious document. It is more like a subjective personal discussion. Do people really write official reports like this in the USA?

He *wants* them to arrest him, or to tell him to leave, or do something rash, b/c then it adds fuel to his world view and makes a spectacle that he can then use against them. Police brutality, blah blah blah.

In this particular case, everything happened as it should, they were stopped, asked to leave and finally not prosecuted (actually the airline should have banned them from flying with them). Good! I’m glad. I don’t want the situation where we have people pushing the envelope of security to its logical grey areas, just to test out reactions or to make political statements. The guys were jerks and as such, I would just assume not fly with them (and im sure the passengers would agree). Its not a right, its a priviledge in a free society.

You will be less touchy when you hear ‘Islam’ next time.

Brutal policies of Hassan Al-Turabi

Great!
See this. It’s not that they’re the devils. It’s that they’re not obidient to his highness Bush II. That is why they’re colored all so black. And about brutal policies, as far I am aware, he’s not responsible of any genocide, let alone for the killing of 2(or 6) million people anywhere in the world.
The ones that preceded them, they murdered, they looted, they extorted, they were involved in drug trafficing…. You have absolutely no problem with that. (My skin’s safe anyway.) Stop being afraid whenever Islam is named. You will feel better.

Mr. Ramadan was banned from entering France in 1996 on suspicion of having links with an Algerian Islamist who had recently initiated a terrorist campaign in Paris.

Along with nearly all Islamists, Mr. Ramadan has denied that there is “any certain proof” that Bin Laden was behind 9/11.

Al-Qaeda and Suspicion! Again! I’m sick!
As far as I am aware, it is a fact that Al Qaeda has not been convincingly proved to be involved in 911. Despite all the claims. I am yet to come across hard evidence other than “he made a call to him”, “he rented his home for six months”, “they were seen together once in paris” that sort of thing. It basically assumes one thing: undeniably the criminals has link with Al-Qaeda, which itself is not proven.

Neither has he said ‘I think Al Qaeda is the greatest gift to mankind’.
Fact is fact, face it. When he said there was no proof, he did not mean Al Qaeda is an angel.
The court of the United states has looked into it. They found not a single of his writings or lectures can be called provocative.” Not even in the sense of attacking or demeaning other civilisations.

Intelligence agencies suspect that Mr. Ramadan (along with his brother Hani) coordinated a meeting at the Hôtel Penta in Geneva for Ayman al-Zawahiri, deputy head of Al-Qaeda, and Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh, now in a Minnesota prison.

I susptect King Bush II had been meeting bin-Laden in his backyard discussing next election. This election(if you don’t remember) he’s done a great job by releasing a video message just before the elections. That indeed carried king Bush II’s rheotics a distance.
Intelligence agencies suspect. I don’t believe what media says about intelligence. Intelligence is not foreign policy that you go around beating drums about what you have found out. Whenever I see some ‘intelligence’ on newspaper (or tv or net) I become suspecious.

A lot of allegations have been brought forward against Ramadan. Including doublespeak. But nobody ever provides evidence or example!
It’s for those who want to believe all Islamists are evil. They require no proof.

No it’s not that. It is because Ramadan is dangerous. He is well versed in history. He is reasonable. He’s eloquent. In short he’s more dangerous than all the criminals in Al-Qaeda put together.

I didn’t read that post before, but I just skimmed it now. Gosh, no. He is not being an alarmist. You are reading the opinion of one who lived through a totalitarian regime. Do you know how many people in former totalitarian governments all over the world are saying the same as Coturnix? Please understand that such people have a sensitivity to the words and the actions of the start of a total state, they are the pidgeons that detect the gas leak in the coal mine. The beginning steps of a total state were always the same. And it is identical to the steps of the U.S. federal government of the last half-decade. (p.s. speaking as a child of a 1945 Latvian refugee)

“He has praised the brutal Islamist policies of the Sudanese politician Hassan Al-Turabi. Mr. Turabi in turn called Mr. Ramadan the “future of Islam.”
Mr. Ramadan was banned from entering France in 1996 on suspicion of having links with an Algerian Islamist who had recently initiated a terrorist campaign in Paris.

Ahmed Brahim, an Algerian indicted for Al-Qaeda activities, had “routine contacts” with Mr. Ramadan, according to a Spanish judge (Baltasar Garzón) in 1999.

Djamel Beghal, leader of a group accused of planning to attack the American embassy in Paris, stated in his 2001 trial that he had studied with Mr. Ramadan.

Along with nearly all Islamists, Mr. Ramadan has denied that there is “any certain proof” that Bin Laden was behind 9/11.

He publicly refers to the Islamist atrocities of 9/11, Bali, and Madrid as “interventions,” minimizing them to the point of near-endorsement.

Intelligence agencies suspect that Mr. Ramadan (along with his brother Hani) coordinated a meeting at the Hôtel Penta in Geneva for Ayman al-Zawahiri, deputy head of Al-Qaeda, and Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh, now in a Minnesota prison.

Mr. Ramadan’s address appears in a register of Al Taqwa Bank, an organization the State Department accuses of supporting Islamist terrorism.”

If he is allowed in, he can get a geen card and eventually US citizenship which would enable him to vote for more muslim migration to America.

The so called nice law abiding muslims are demographic transforming America street by street, town by town and city by city. If you want a few examples of this islamic demographic transformation taking place, just let me know.

If the 1965 immigration reform act had not been passed, the probabilty of 9/11 happening would have been very close to 0.

Or to put it another way, if America had maintained her national origins immigration policy, there would be a much smaller muslim population in America then there is today. And the probability of 9/11 would have been very close to 0.

Even if there had been no change in a US foriegn policy- that obviously pissess off millions of muslims- a national origins immigration policy that excluded muslim, would have significantly reduced the probability of 9/11 hapenning.

Liberals,leftists and corporatists-Republican and Democratic politicians-lecuture ordinary Americans about the blessings of diversity. Ordinary Americans are voting with their feet against the blessings of diversity. 9/11 was a consequence the mad pursuit to change the demographic composition of America.

If we are honest,this is the context in which the “flying Imans” should be understood. The consequence of changing America’s demographics through legal immigration was 9/11. The public reaction to “the flying imans” was 9/11

It is a much better idea to develop home grown scientific talent than to import it from the muslim world or other nations. This would have reduced significantly the probability of 9/11 happenning. It also would have meant paying ordinary Americans a higher wage.

*When* …?! It has already begun. The Bush Administration’s Total State approach was clear to me in 2001 when they started redefining common words.

Quote from F. Hayek, pg. 172-173, _Road to Serfdom_, 1944:

“The most efficient technique to this end is to use the old words but change their meaning. Few traits of totalitarian regimes are at the same time so confusing to the superficial observer and yet so characteristic of the whole intellectual climate as the complete perversion of language, the change of meaning of the words by which the ideals of the new regimes are expressed.”

“The worst sufferer in this respect is, of course, the word “liberty.” It is a word used as freely in totalitarian states as elsewhere. Indeed, it could almost be said — and it should serve as a warning to us to be on our guard — that wherever liberty as we understand it has been destroyed, this has almost always been done in the name of some new freedom promised to the people. [...]”

“But “freedom” or “liberty” are by no means the only words whose meaning has been changed into their opposites to make them serve as instruments of totalitarian propaganda. We have already seen how the same happens to “justice” and “law,” “right” and “equality.” The list could be extended until it includes almost all moral and political terms in general use.”

If you have ‘liberals’ thinking this is enough reason for the crew to be suspicious, what can you expect from ‘conservatives’?

Maybe they’ll use a few persons dressed like imams who will behave like the persons who were removed from the US Airways flight to divert attention

After 9/11 the increased security measures have made it almost impossible to replicate the events on 9/11. But large scale attacks ae still posible. E.g. if I were Bin Laden, I would send a few my followers to medical school for a few years. They would then use their knowledge to implant explosives in the abdominal cavities of suicide bombers. These explosives can be set off remotely via a device that looks like a mobile phone.

You could have many hundreds of these suicide bombers right now ready to board planes, and no one would notice anything suspicious.

Do you think it would be overly defensive of me to wonder if you’re being overly critical?

-Rob

Er, you left something out.

Try: six muslims all get up during the plane flight and hijack it.

Those last three words were the crucial part.

Now, suppose that word got out on 9/11 via cellphones, and on other flights people started tying up or killing any muslims present. That would have been out of line.