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		<title>By: ither</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-145936</link>
		<dc:creator>ither</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read The Crying..., and V., decades ago, Mason and Dixon has been lying on the shelf for years, mostly because I found V. to be clever, but turgid. As for Rankin, if you like detective noirs, try Valin (locus Cincinnati). Rankin himself reads too much like a screenplay, as if written to be adapted by the BBC. Robinson (Yorkshire) is similar to Rankin, but better. Lastly, I just have to flog one of my favorites, James McClure, who wrote a series in the 70's placed in South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read The Crying&#8230;, and V., decades ago, Mason and Dixon has been lying on the shelf for years, mostly because I found V. to be clever, but turgid. As for Rankin, if you like detective noirs, try Valin (locus Cincinnati). Rankin himself reads too much like a screenplay, as if written to be adapted by the BBC. Robinson (Yorkshire) is similar to Rankin, but better. Lastly, I just have to flog one of my favorites, James McClure, who wrote a series in the 70&#8217;s placed in South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Grant</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144751</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Stop taunting me Joel Grant - my will is strong - I will wait until Christmas  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And now you have a little something to tide you over.  Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Stop taunting me Joel Grant - my will is strong - I will wait until Christmas  </p></blockquote>
<p>And now you have a little something to tide you over.  Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144613</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop taunting me Joel Grant - my will is strong - I &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; wait until Christmas :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop taunting me Joel Grant - my will is strong - I <em>will</em> wait until Christmas <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Grant</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144603</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a paragraph from "Against the Day":

&lt;blockquote&gt; Planted rows went turning past like giant spokes one by one as they ranged the roads.  The skies were interrupted by dark gray storm clouds with a flow like molten stone, swept and liquid, and light that found its way through them was lost in the dark fields but gathered shining along the pale road, so that sometimes all you could see was the road, and the horizon it ran to.  Sometimes she was overwhelmed by the green life passing in such high turbulence, too much to see, all clamoring to have its way.  Leaves sawtooth, spade-shaped, long and thin, blunt-fingered, downy and veined, oiled and dusty with the day - flowers in bells and clusters, purple and white or yellow as butter, star-shaped ferns in the wet and dark places, millions of green veilings, before the bridal secrets in the moss and under the deadfalls, went on by the wheels creaking and struck by rocks in the ruts, sparks visible only in what shadow it might pass over, a busy development of small trailside shapes tumbling in what had to be deliberately arranged precision, herbs the wild-crafters knew the names and market prices of and which the silent women up in the foothils, counterparts whom they most often never got even to meet, knew the magic uses for.  They lived for different futures, but they were each other's unrecognized halves, and what fascination between them did come to pass was lit up, beyond question, with grace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

p. 70

Now that sounds like Pynchon to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a paragraph from &#8220;Against the Day&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p> Planted rows went turning past like giant spokes one by one as they ranged the roads.  The skies were interrupted by dark gray storm clouds with a flow like molten stone, swept and liquid, and light that found its way through them was lost in the dark fields but gathered shining along the pale road, so that sometimes all you could see was the road, and the horizon it ran to.  Sometimes she was overwhelmed by the green life passing in such high turbulence, too much to see, all clamoring to have its way.  Leaves sawtooth, spade-shaped, long and thin, blunt-fingered, downy and veined, oiled and dusty with the day - flowers in bells and clusters, purple and white or yellow as butter, star-shaped ferns in the wet and dark places, millions of green veilings, before the bridal secrets in the moss and under the deadfalls, went on by the wheels creaking and struck by rocks in the ruts, sparks visible only in what shadow it might pass over, a busy development of small trailside shapes tumbling in what had to be deliberately arranged precision, herbs the wild-crafters knew the names and market prices of and which the silent women up in the foothils, counterparts whom they most often never got even to meet, knew the magic uses for.  They lived for different futures, but they were each other&#8217;s unrecognized halves, and what fascination between them did come to pass was lit up, beyond question, with grace.</p></blockquote>
<p>p. 70</p>
<p>Now that sounds like Pynchon to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144516</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but I read that pretty smartly as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but I read that pretty smartly as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Grant</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144401</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt; I ran across it in the bookstore yesterday but put off buying it because Iâ€™m pretty sure someone has it on their Christmas list for me. You guys are pushing my patience though. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you hold off you are a patient man.  But consider that "Mason &#38; Dixon" was published in 1997 so what's a few more weeks?

When I get a chance I will type in a couple of sentences from the new book to whet the appetite.  Whatever any critic says about this novel, I can assure you that Thomas Pynchon has not lost his knack for intense and vivid prose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p> I ran across it in the bookstore yesterday but put off buying it because Iâ€™m pretty sure someone has it on their Christmas list for me. You guys are pushing my patience though. </p></blockquote>
<p>If you hold off you are a patient man.  But consider that &#8220;Mason &amp; Dixon&#8221; was published in 1997 so what&#8217;s a few more weeks?</p>
<p>When I get a chance I will type in a couple of sentences from the new book to whet the appetite.  Whatever any critic says about this novel, I can assure you that Thomas Pynchon has not lost his knack for intense and vivid prose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144218</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran across it in the bookstore yesterday but put off buying it because I'm pretty sure someone has it on their Christmas list for me. You guys are pushing my patience though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran across it in the bookstore yesterday but put off buying it because I&#8217;m pretty sure someone has it on their Christmas list for me. You guys are pushing my patience though.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Grant</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-144185</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the new Pynchon book and I believe it may come to be regarded as his masterpiece.  Given some extra time I will type in a few of the most amazing passages I have come across.  One question to ponder is this: whence the title "Against the Day"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the new Pynchon book and I believe it may come to be regarded as his masterpiece.  Given some extra time I will type in a few of the most amazing passages I have come across.  One question to ponder is this: whence the title &#8220;Against the Day&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Pynchon and Rankin &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-143782</link>
		<dc:creator>Pynchon and Rankin &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark at Cosmic Variance (to his pleasant surprise) has realised that the one of the pillars of his literary world was worshipping another for quite some time now; take a look! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media and Other News</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-142960</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media and Other News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the way in here I stopped at a bookstore and took a look at the new Thomas Pynchon novel Against the Day. Over at Cosmic Variance, Mark Trodden and Sean Carroll are Pynchon fans and have postings about this. I was quite fond of Vineland and enjoyed some of Pynchon&#8217;s earlier books, but he lost me with Mason and Dixon, and this new one doesn&#8217;t look promising. From flipping through it, one important topic seems to be quaternions and their relation to 4d space-time geometry, and a group of characters are called the Quaternioneers. I almost bought the book, thinking that it was my duty as a chronicler of the nexus of math, physics and popular culture to read the thing. But when I picked it up, its sheer heft caused an immediate feeling of discouragement, so I put it back down and will wait for reports from others. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On the way in here I stopped at a bookstore and took a look at the new Thomas Pynchon novel Against the Day. Over at Cosmic Variance, Mark Trodden and Sean Carroll are Pynchon fans and have postings about this. I was quite fond of Vineland and enjoyed some of Pynchon&#8217;s earlier books, but he lost me with Mason and Dixon, and this new one doesn&#8217;t look promising. From flipping through it, one important topic seems to be quaternions and their relation to 4d space-time geometry, and a group of characters are called the Quaternioneers. I almost bought the book, thinking that it was my duty as a chronicler of the nexus of math, physics and popular culture to read the thing. But when I picked it up, its sheer heft caused an immediate feeling of discouragement, so I put it back down and will wait for reports from others. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sysrick.com &#187; links for 2006-11-24</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-142400</link>
		<dc:creator>sysrick.com &#187; links for 2006-11-24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Perfect Literary Storm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fermi-Walker Public Transport</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-142244</link>
		<dc:creator>Fermi-Walker Public Transport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read not too long ago I read Audrey Niffenegger's "The Time Travelor's Wife" and was completely  blown away.  It was the best SciFi novel I have read in a very long time, but then I am an astronomer, not a cosmologist so you might want to take my opinion with a grain (or shaker) of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read not too long ago I read Audrey Niffenegger&#8217;s &#8220;The Time Travelor&#8217;s Wife&#8221; and was completely  blown away.  It was the best SciFi novel I have read in a very long time, but then I am an astronomer, not a cosmologist so you might want to take my opinion with a grain (or shaker) of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141987</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do cosmologists read SciFi?  If so, what are your favorites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do cosmologists read SciFi?  If so, what are your favorites?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141980</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some books have to read in particular ways to be appreciated. The Rembrance of Things Past is deadly dull if you try to read it quickly, but slowly savoring the works of Jules Verne would equally intolerable. Most novels, especially modern novels, are written to be read straight-through and only onceâ€”they are the literary equivalent of MREs. On the other hand, Pynchon's novels, like the works of Cervantes and even more those of Rabelais, are best read and reread over a long period of time. I've read some chapters of Gravity's Rainbow ten or twelve times, but I've only read the whole thing through once and have never figured out the overall plot of the work as a whole. (Masterplots hasn't either, by the way. I've checked.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some books have to read in particular ways to be appreciated. The Rembrance of Things Past is deadly dull if you try to read it quickly, but slowly savoring the works of Jules Verne would equally intolerable. Most novels, especially modern novels, are written to be read straight-through and only onceâ€”they are the literary equivalent of MREs. On the other hand, Pynchon&#8217;s novels, like the works of Cervantes and even more those of Rabelais, are best read and reread over a long period of time. I&#8217;ve read some chapters of Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow ten or twelve times, but I&#8217;ve only read the whole thing through once and have never figured out the overall plot of the work as a whole. (Masterplots hasn&#8217;t either, by the way. I&#8217;ve checked.)</p>
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		<title>By: NoJoy</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141949</link>
		<dc:creator>NoJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WeemaWhopper, I recommend Mason and Dixon before Gravity's Rainbow. In my opinion, if you don't like M&#38;D, you don't like Pynchon, and you shouldn't kill yourself trying to read GR. Have you read V? I thought it was easier to read than M&#38;D and GR, and better than Vineland (but not as good as M&#38;D).

When someone first introduced me to Pynchon, he recommended the order Lot 49, V, GR (this was before Vineland or M&#38;D came out). I would modify the list to put M&#38;D between V and GR. Where to put Vineland is a hard call for me, since I think it's easier to read than M&#38;D but not as good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WeemaWhopper, I recommend Mason and Dixon before Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow. In my opinion, if you don&#8217;t like M&amp;D, you don&#8217;t like Pynchon, and you shouldn&#8217;t kill yourself trying to read GR. Have you read V? I thought it was easier to read than M&amp;D and GR, and better than Vineland (but not as good as M&amp;D).</p>
<p>When someone first introduced me to Pynchon, he recommended the order Lot 49, V, GR (this was before Vineland or M&amp;D came out). I would modify the list to put M&amp;D between V and GR. Where to put Vineland is a hard call for me, since I think it&#8217;s easier to read than M&amp;D but not as good.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141945</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Richard Powers, a novelist who has a background in physics and music, and draws on both? The Goldbug Variations and Plowing the Dark both explore the tensions at the boundry lines between science and the humanities. 

And how could I forget, Galadea 2.2 and Prisoner's Dilemma!

Pynchon is srong on ideas, but such deadly prose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Richard Powers, a novelist who has a background in physics and music, and draws on both? The Goldbug Variations and Plowing the Dark both explore the tensions at the boundry lines between science and the humanities. </p>
<p>And how could I forget, Galadea 2.2 and Prisoner&#8217;s Dilemma!</p>
<p>Pynchon is srong on ideas, but such deadly prose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Richard Powers, a novelist who has a background in physics and music, and draws on both? The Goldbug Variations and Plowing the Dark both explore the tensions at the boundry lines between science and the humanities.

Pynchon is srong on ideas, but such deadly prose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Richard Powers, a novelist who has a background in physics and music, and draws on both? The Goldbug Variations and Plowing the Dark both explore the tensions at the boundry lines between science and the humanities.</p>
<p>Pynchon is srong on ideas, but such deadly prose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WeemaWhopper</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141901</link>
		<dc:creator>WeemaWhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got started with Pynchon with Vineland, which didn't make me a fan.  Lot 49 was better, but still left me wondering why.  Perhaps I should have gone right to Gravity's Rainbow.

Don't know Rankin, but one Southern California detective writer who is amazing is Ross MacDonald (well, was amazing, he died in the early 1980's).  He nails post WWII Southern California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got started with Pynchon with Vineland, which didn&#8217;t make me a fan.  Lot 49 was better, but still left me wondering why.  Perhaps I should have gone right to Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know Rankin, but one Southern California detective writer who is amazing is Ross MacDonald (well, was amazing, he died in the early 1980&#8217;s).  He nails post WWII Southern California.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141870</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth, Michiko Kakutani gave &lt;i&gt;Against the Day&lt;/i&gt; a pretty negative review in &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/books/20kaku.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The New York Times&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; (reg req'd).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Michiko Kakutani gave <i>Against the Day</i> a pretty negative review in <i><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/books/20kaku.html" rel="nofollow">The New York Times</a></i> (reg req&#8217;d).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/11/20/the-perfect-literary-storm/#comment-141576</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I am jealous ... I ordered mine from Amazon, so I have to wait.  Probably for the best.</description>
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