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		<title>By: JayH Log &#187; Music and Language - Good to know</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-128845</link>
		<dc:creator>JayH Log &#187; Music and Language - Good to know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: randform &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Music and Language</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-127862</link>
		<dc:creator>randform &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Music and Language</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via cosmicvariance (Clifford) I found this very nice podcast by radiolab.org at New Yorks public radio WNYC. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sometimes behaves so strangely</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-125530</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sometimes behaves so strangely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124268</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By combining the interesting work presented to us by Diana Deutsch here with the following two courses on linguism and music, one can further the appreciation of this study:


http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=1600&#38;id=1600&#38;d=Story+of+Human+Language&#38;pc=Literature%20and%20English%20Language

http://www.teach12.com/ttc/assets/coursedescriptions/700.asp?id=700&#38;d=How+to+Listen+to+and+Understand+Great+Music&#38;pc=Fine%20Arts%20and%20Music


There are people who can see particular colors when hearing a particular pitch of music. Much of this has to do with how the brain does cross- talking..Here is a good study:

http://www.amazon.com/Brief-Tour-Human-Consciousness-Impostor/dp/0131872788/sr=1-1/qid=1160601836/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1245844-0959139?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books

Children tend to pick up language by finding the music in the language..They mimic the meter first and find out about meaning when they offend someone or receive smiles in return.


There is also a music to labor, our relationship with tools. One can hear frustration or contentment coming from the sounds in distant garages and workshops..The 4 count came into existence right around the time that building of railroads called for four workers to surround one spike as they fastened rail to ties. The three count came from the pulling of nets into shore. The two count came from small light hammering...I have lived my whole life from this perspective. Labor to me is a symphony. Tools are instruments.

 Even the pitch that a Harley Davidson motorcycle makes when it rides on the cam matches the brain waves of a number of humans, sending a resonance right up the spine. It is very addictive for those who match it.

When I speak Manduran Chinese, what little I do speak, I do hit the tones precise since Primsler trained me that way. 

Once again, thank you Clifford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By combining the interesting work presented to us by Diana Deutsch here with the following two courses on linguism and music, one can further the appreciation of this study:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=1600&amp;id=1600&amp;d=Story+of+Human+Language&amp;pc=Literature%20and%20English%20Language" rel="nofollow">http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=1600&amp;id=1600&amp;d=Story+of+Human+Language&amp;pc=Literature%20and%20English%20Language</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.teach12.com/ttc/assets/coursedescriptions/700.asp?id=700&amp;d=How+to+Listen+to+and+Understand+Great+Music&amp;pc=Fine%20Arts%20and%20Music" rel="nofollow">http://www.teach12.com/ttc/assets/coursedescriptions/700.asp?id=700&amp;d=How+to+Listen+to+and+Understand+Great+Music&amp;pc=Fine%20Arts%20and%20Music</a></p>
<p>There are people who can see particular colors when hearing a particular pitch of music. Much of this has to do with how the brain does cross- talking..Here is a good study:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brief-Tour-Human-Consciousness-Impostor/dp/0131872788/sr=1-1/qid=1160601836/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1245844-0959139?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Brief-Tour-Human-Consciousness-Impostor/dp/0131872788/sr=1-1/qid=1160601836/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1245844-0959139?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books</a></p>
<p>Children tend to pick up language by finding the music in the language..They mimic the meter first and find out about meaning when they offend someone or receive smiles in return.</p>
<p>There is also a music to labor, our relationship with tools. One can hear frustration or contentment coming from the sounds in distant garages and workshops..The 4 count came into existence right around the time that building of railroads called for four workers to surround one spike as they fastened rail to ties. The three count came from the pulling of nets into shore. The two count came from small light hammering&#8230;I have lived my whole life from this perspective. Labor to me is a symphony. Tools are instruments.</p>
<p> Even the pitch that a Harley Davidson motorcycle makes when it rides on the cam matches the brain waves of a number of humans, sending a resonance right up the spine. It is very addictive for those who match it.</p>
<p>When I speak Manduran Chinese, what little I do speak, I do hit the tones precise since Primsler trained me that way. </p>
<p>Once again, thank you Clifford.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Cole</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you blogging on a musical theme!</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Valletta</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124178</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Valletta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Universal Language should be Music?

The very first communications were done by tonic pitch devise's, the mouth as it evolved produced Whistle "noise". This was developed by all things on Earth, Birds, Man, Dolphins, Whales..etc.

Man developed Whistle as it interacted with Breathing process( think about it, breathing, wheezing  whistle sound?)..Man mimic's Birdsong, Man notices certain tonic pitch indused Birds to move towards Man.

Man captures Bird, Man eats Bird, which proberbly occured on a sunday, and in great tradition, thus:
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2006/10/happy-thanksgiving.html

I know, cause I was there!..been there, seen it done it ;)

P.S I AM TONE DEAF!</description>
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<p>The very first communications were done by tonic pitch devise&#8217;s, the mouth as it evolved produced Whistle &#8220;noise&#8221;. This was developed by all things on Earth, Birds, Man, Dolphins, Whales..etc.</p>
<p>Man developed Whistle as it interacted with Breathing process( think about it, breathing, wheezing  whistle sound?)..Man mimic&#8217;s Birdsong, Man notices certain tonic pitch indused Birds to move towards Man.</p>
<p>Man captures Bird, Man eats Bird, which proberbly occured on a sunday, and in great tradition, thus:<br />
<a href="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2006/10/happy-thanksgiving.html" rel="nofollow">http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2006/10/happy-thanksgiving.html</a></p>
<p>I know, cause I was there!..been there, seen it done it <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S I AM TONE DEAF!</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Perdue</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124176</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis Perdue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this suggest a novel way to teach language more effectively? I am in Warsaw, Poland doing television and other media interviews for the release of three of my books in Polish. I've been studying CD's to learn conversational Polish (FAR harder than my studies of German, Grench, Italian, Spanish and Dutch) and yet I find I am picking this up by grasping "phrases" rather than individual words and grammar rules that were used when i studied those other languages. 

A phrase offers contextual hooks to remembering each piece ... like a TUNE which can stick in your mind.

Maybe a method for turning language into a song-like structure would help people learn better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this suggest a novel way to teach language more effectively? I am in Warsaw, Poland doing television and other media interviews for the release of three of my books in Polish. I&#8217;ve been studying CD&#8217;s to learn conversational Polish (FAR harder than my studies of German, Grench, Italian, Spanish and Dutch) and yet I find I am picking this up by grasping &#8220;phrases&#8221; rather than individual words and grammar rules that were used when i studied those other languages. </p>
<p>A phrase offers contextual hooks to remembering each piece &#8230; like a TUNE which can stick in your mind.</p>
<p>Maybe a method for turning language into a song-like structure would help people learn better?</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124134</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes if you had wanted to learn deeply, the way is paved for "such insertions" within our thinking. How music leads you into...? Sitting by the stream it is nice to ecourage "ideas" to flow?

 "&lt;a href="http://www.superlearning.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Superlearning&lt;/a&gt;"

If you had thought of the "whiteboard idea of expression[blank slate]" it would most certainly seem such conducement to bringing the "essence of idea" from that deeper part of self, after all that reason? Then, what would could we learn, after all that learning?

Inspirative attempts at writing perhaps as sounds/smells wafts through the air?

As Plato, you must understand I am biased of course.:)</description>
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<p> &#8220;<a href="http://www.superlearning.com/" rel="nofollow">Superlearning</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>If you had thought of the &#8220;whiteboard idea of expression[blank slate]&#8221; it would most certainly seem such conducement to bringing the &#8220;essence of idea&#8221; from that deeper part of self, after all that reason? Then, what would could we learn, after all that learning?</p>
<p>Inspirative attempts at writing perhaps as sounds/smells wafts through the air?</p>
<p>As Plato, you must understand I am biased of course.:)</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124123</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the effect very strong on Steve Reich's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Reich-Different-Electric-Counterpoint-Quartet/dp/B000005IYU/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/104-4682416-1828753?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow"&gt;different trains&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the effect very strong on Steve Reich&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Reich-Different-Electric-Counterpoint-Quartet/dp/B000005IYU/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/104-4682416-1828753?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">different trains</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124103</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to ask.  who's the lucky girl?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124102</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, Clifford.  That's awesome news!</description>
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		<title>By: Manas Shaikh</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-124097</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas Shaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drunk with Music, huh?</description>
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		<title>By: janko</title>
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		<dc:creator>janko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's something steve reich has used extensively in his music. Listen closely to the cd "city life"by him, and you'll hear samples from human voices speaking interweaved through the music, and musical instruments playing along with the tunes they "speak".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s something steve reich has used extensively in his music. Listen closely to the cd &#8220;city life&#8221;by him, and you&#8217;ll hear samples from human voices speaking interweaved through the music, and musical instruments playing along with the tunes they &#8220;speak&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike-2</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-123990</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike-2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That's amazing! Imagine what would happen if somebody somewhere somehow invented a whole genre of music around the idea of using loops and samples for a musical effect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That&#8217;s amazing! Imagine what would happen if somebody somewhere somehow invented a whole genre of music around the idea of using loops and samples for a musical effect!</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Sometimes behaves so strangely</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-123987</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Sometimes behaves so strangely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via Clifford at Cosmic Variance posted on Monday, October 9th, 2006 at 6:43 pm      Post a comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! -cvj</description>
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		<title>By: conical flask</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-123960</link>
		<dc:creator>conical flask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those who can't be bothered: i can testify that there is an interesting effect.</description>
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		<title>By: Ambitwistor</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-123957</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambitwistor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In particular, listen to the segment from 1:30 to 3:30 if you want to hear the looped "music".</description>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/10/09/music-and-language/#comment-123950</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Chinese rap music sound any different from any other kind of Chinese music?</description>
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