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	<title>Comments on: Summer School</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/</link>
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		<title>By: End of the summer school season &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18672</link>
		<dc:creator>End of the summer school season &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Us lecturers were very well looked after, pretty much as described by Sean when he lectured at their Cosmology school earlier this year. Since he already posted a picture of the guesthouse, I will share a picture of the jellyfish with you instead. (Be thankful you are spared my numerous sunset shots.) The small bay of the Adriatic Sea where the ICTP and its Guesthouse sits was filled with the things, about 1-2 ft long. Superb! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Us lecturers were very well looked after, pretty much as described by Sean when he lectured at their Cosmology school earlier this year. Since he already posted a picture of the guesthouse, I will share a picture of the jellyfish with you instead. (Be thankful you are spared my numerous sunset shots.) The small bay of the Adriatic Sea where the ICTP and its Guesthouse sits was filled with the things, about 1-2 ft long. Superb! [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrary Chronological Signifiers &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator>Arbitrary Chronological Signifiers &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18673</guid>
		<description>[...] Summer School [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Summer School [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18671</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18671</guid>
		<description>Guillermo, Thanks!  I'm looking forward to Trieste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guillermo, Thanks!  I&#8217;m looking forward to Trieste.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Enzo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18670</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18670</guid>
		<description>Amara:  No, I refuse to believe that Italia is not the best.  They are the best, and Italia's world cup victory over France was proof positive that they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amara:  No, I refuse to believe that Italia is not the best.  They are the best, and Italia&#8217;s world cup victory over France was proof positive that they are!</p>
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		<title>By: Guillermo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18669</link>
		<dc:creator>Guillermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18669</guid>
		<description>Sean,

thanks to you for enjoyable lectures and conversations.

As regards to the physical world, I'll have more questions than anwers by the end of the school. This is probably a positive net balance.

Having attended Joanne's extra dimensions lectures last summer at Les Houches, I can say that Trieste will have another good science &lt;a href="http://www.wordreference.com/definition/communicator" rel="nofollow"&gt;communicator&lt;/a&gt; in september.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>thanks to you for enjoyable lectures and conversations.</p>
<p>As regards to the physical world, I&#8217;ll have more questions than anwers by the end of the school. This is probably a positive net balance.</p>
<p>Having attended Joanne&#8217;s extra dimensions lectures last summer at Les Houches, I can say that Trieste will have another good science <a href="http://www.wordreference.com/definition/communicator" rel="nofollow">communicator</a> in september.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18668</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18668</guid>
		<description>Pyracantha, yes, but hopefully young people are involved by their bosses at an early stage in their careers in the data acquisition and analysis and conference presentations, any of which can occur in special places. If one's career demands 24 hour a day attention (many do), these 'perks' are almost necessary to maintain one's sanity.

Sean, I can picture the scene, a funny kind of dance between two out-of-the-ordinary groups, who have little idea what the other group represents. My adventurous colleagues, who enjoy some of the same hobbies that I do, have been known to jump fences while exploring an island in their one free afternoon of a week-long workshop to accidently find naturist beach parties in progress. (They joined the celebration, which was the naturist club's commemoration of a new ladder that reached the sea from the rocky shore). All it takes is a curious mind, open heart, and an adventurous spirit to find those precious nuggets of unforgettable moments.

Kip Thorne quote: "CALIFORNIA magazine, in an article on "The Man Who Invented Time Travel", even  ran a photograph of me doing physics in the nude on Palomar Mountain. I was mortified---not by the photo, but by the totally outrageous claims that I had  invented time machines and time travel."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pyracantha, yes, but hopefully young people are involved by their bosses at an early stage in their careers in the data acquisition and analysis and conference presentations, any of which can occur in special places. If one&#8217;s career demands 24 hour a day attention (many do), these &#8216;perks&#8217; are almost necessary to maintain one&#8217;s sanity.</p>
<p>Sean, I can picture the scene, a funny kind of dance between two out-of-the-ordinary groups, who have little idea what the other group represents. My adventurous colleagues, who enjoy some of the same hobbies that I do, have been known to jump fences while exploring an island in their one free afternoon of a week-long workshop to accidently find naturist beach parties in progress. (They joined the celebration, which was the naturist club&#8217;s commemoration of a new ladder that reached the sea from the rocky shore). All it takes is a curious mind, open heart, and an adventurous spirit to find those precious nuggets of unforgettable moments.</p>
<p>Kip Thorne quote: &#8220;CALIFORNIA magazine, in an article on &#8220;The Man Who Invented Time Travel&#8221;, even  ran a photograph of me doing physics in the nude on Palomar Mountain. I was mortified&#8212;not by the photo, but by the totally outrageous claims that I had  invented time machines and time travel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pyracantha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18667</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyracantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18667</guid>
		<description>As I once pointed out here, the intellectually exciting conferences in nice places and the interesting social life and the conversations on the beach and at the restaurants are perks. They are earned by twenty years of struggle and toil and competition until degrees, papers, and academic status are achieved. This pleasantry is not open to just anyone who likes and learns about physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I once pointed out here, the intellectually exciting conferences in nice places and the interesting social life and the conversations on the beach and at the restaurants are perks. They are earned by twenty years of struggle and toil and competition until degrees, papers, and academic status are achieved. This pleasantry is not open to just anyone who likes and learns about physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18666</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18666</guid>
		<description>citrine, the great thing about these questions is that they don't have settled answers!  My answer to the GR issue was a fudge:  it's a shame that, 90 years after its invention, people can still get degrees in physics without being exposed to general relativity -- but, as a matter of indisputable fact, plenty of great physicists don't know GR at all.

And Amara, as luck would have it, the end-of-the-week party was held at a beach that was in fact quite naturist, although on the Italian side.  The physicists uniformly did not get into the spirit of things, and some of the students were quite a bit disconcerted -- the joke was to wonder which group would drive off the other first, although they ultimately coexisted peacefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>citrine, the great thing about these questions is that they don&#8217;t have settled answers!  My answer to the GR issue was a fudge:  it&#8217;s a shame that, 90 years after its invention, people can still get degrees in physics without being exposed to general relativity &#8212; but, as a matter of indisputable fact, plenty of great physicists don&#8217;t know GR at all.</p>
<p>And Amara, as luck would have it, the end-of-the-week party was held at a beach that was in fact quite naturist, although on the Italian side.  The physicists uniformly did not get into the spirit of things, and some of the students were quite a bit disconcerted &#8212; the joke was to wonder which group would drive off the other first, although they ultimately coexisted peacefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18650</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18650</guid>
		<description>citrine: "What significant differences do you see between those who studied primarily under the American college system vs. those educated mainly in Europe?"

One (small?) difference I've noticed in astronomy / planetary science here (Europe) is _alot_ of  "schools" (often in the summer, but not always) for the PhD students. They are relatively cheap, you go someplace pleasant but isolated for 1-2 weeks once or twice a year, with 30-50 other students, focussed on a topic, and learn with lectures and sometimes hands-on work. If such a thing was available to me in the States when I was taking my graduate courses, then I somehow missed the advertisements. These schools seem to take the role of the 'practical' or 'real-world' application of the theory that the students learn in the European universities.

Last year I was a lecturer for an October one-week &lt;a href="http://www.arcetri.astro.it/volt05/" rel="nofollow"&gt; astrophysics school&lt;/a&gt; in Volterra, and I agree with Sean's experience. It was way more fun to hang out with the students!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>citrine: &#8220;What significant differences do you see between those who studied primarily under the American college system vs. those educated mainly in Europe?&#8221;</p>
<p>One (small?) difference I&#8217;ve noticed in astronomy / planetary science here (Europe) is _alot_ of  &#8220;schools&#8221; (often in the summer, but not always) for the PhD students. They are relatively cheap, you go someplace pleasant but isolated for 1-2 weeks once or twice a year, with 30-50 other students, focussed on a topic, and learn with lectures and sometimes hands-on work. If such a thing was available to me in the States when I was taking my graduate courses, then I somehow missed the advertisements. These schools seem to take the role of the &#8216;practical&#8217; or &#8216;real-world&#8217; application of the theory that the students learn in the European universities.</p>
<p>Last year I was a lecturer for an October one-week <a href="http://www.arcetri.astro.it/volt05/" rel="nofollow"> astrophysics school</a> in Volterra, and I agree with Sean&#8217;s experience. It was way more fun to hang out with the students!</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18651</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/07/13/summer-school/#comment-18651</guid>
		<description>Uncle Enzo: Just so you know: ICTP (and to some extent SISSA) is unique in Italy regarding support of science. It has a large influx of funding support from the outside. If you go next door to the Osservatorio Astronomico di Trieste, then you are back in the usual Italian &lt;a href="http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_development/previous_issues/articles/1470/is_the_italian_brain_drain_becoming_a_flood" rel="nofollow"&gt;lack-of-science-support &lt;/a&gt; conditions. Italy has dropped further in the last 5 years, currently investing about 0.8 or 0.9% GNP on research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Enzo: Just so you know: ICTP (and to some extent SISSA) is unique in Italy regarding support of science. It has a large influx of funding support from the outside. If you go next door to the Osservatorio Astronomico di Trieste, then you are back in the usual Italian <a href="http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_development/previous_issues/articles/1470/is_the_italian_brain_drain_becoming_a_flood" rel="nofollow">lack-of-science-support </a> conditions. Italy has dropped further in the last 5 years, currently investing about 0.8 or 0.9% GNP on research.</p>
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