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		<title>By: More Future Scientists Revealed! - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-107099</link>
		<dc:creator>More Future Scientists Revealed! - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This year I was unable to do so due to a trip across the Atlantic concerning the birth of my sister&#8217;s son (details of the london trip here, here, here and here; Last link has a fun trip to Harrods and to the Science Museum). But my USC colleague Chris Gould -the chief organisational engine behind the fair- has prepared hundreds of photographs again, and you can go and have a look here, and see some of the project descriptions also. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This year I was unable to do so due to a trip across the Atlantic concerning the birth of my sister&#8217;s son (details of the london trip here, here, here and here; Last link has a fun trip to Harrods and to the Science Museum). But my USC colleague Chris Gould -the chief organisational engine behind the fair- has prepared hundreds of photographs again, and you can go and have a look here, and see some of the project descriptions also. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ears &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-27349</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Ears &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 00:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was put in mind of it last week when I popped over to London to play the role of uncle,  wander  the streets for a bit, do a bit of sightseeing, and hemorrhage a bit of money. I was all prepared to be annoyed by the Guardian, which was once my favourite newspapers, since I had not seen it very often since they (lamentably) made major modifications to the format. As it turned out, I did not get annoyed too much, although I would prefer it if they took it back to the correct size for a respectable newspaper. It still has a lot of news and good writing in it, and I am led to understand that the huge amount of football-related stuff in it is a passing phase because there is some sort of contest going on in Germany of some relevance. (Um&#8230; that would be &#8220;soccer&#8221;, you folks over on the extreme left hand side with the funny shaped ball.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was put in mind of it last week when I popped over to London to play the role of uncle,  wander  the streets for a bit, do a bit of sightseeing, and hemorrhage a bit of money. I was all prepared to be annoyed by the Guardian, which was once my favourite newspapers, since I had not seen it very often since they (lamentably) made major modifications to the format. As it turned out, I did not get annoyed too much, although I would prefer it if they took it back to the correct size for a respectable newspaper. It still has a lot of news and good writing in it, and I am led to understand that the huge amount of football-related stuff in it is a passing phase because there is some sort of contest going on in Germany of some relevance. (Um&#8230; that would be &#8220;soccer&#8221;, you folks over on the extreme left hand side with the funny shaped ball.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shopping, Sightseeing, Science &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25853</link>
		<dc:creator>Shopping, Sightseeing, Science &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 01:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So on Sunday, for A Journey Around My People part two (see part one here), I wandered around quite a bit in my old &#8216;hood in the South West. No, not the South West where I live currently, but in the SW postcode district of London. Wandered the streets looking at the people: Listening to the various tones of voice, ways of speaking, turns of phrase. Looking at the hustle and bustle, the various states of dress, expressions of face, looks in the eye. Listening to the shouts, yells, laughs, cries, whispers, etc. I love doing that. This is one of the reasons I like to wander around in public areas and use public transport, in whatever city I happen to be. It is the way you really get to know a city, and then once that city is inside you -entering by your looking the people in the eye, bumping into them, talking with them, encountering accidental touches, smells, warmth, coldness- then you really know it. And you come back years later and drink that all back in, and know that the city is still there - in the people. Some buildings will change, disappear entirely sometimes, but those sounds, tastes and sights of the people last a long time, passing on through generations. Yes, they&#8217;ll last certainly a lot longer than you will, and so you can be sure that a certain essence of the city lives on, when other aspects fade. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So on Sunday, for A Journey Around My People part two (see part one here), I wandered around quite a bit in my old &#8216;hood in the South West. No, not the South West where I live currently, but in the SW postcode district of London. Wandered the streets looking at the people: Listening to the various tones of voice, ways of speaking, turns of phrase. Looking at the hustle and bustle, the various states of dress, expressions of face, looks in the eye. Listening to the shouts, yells, laughs, cries, whispers, etc. I love doing that. This is one of the reasons I like to wander around in public areas and use public transport, in whatever city I happen to be. It is the way you really get to know a city, and then once that city is inside you -entering by your looking the people in the eye, bumping into them, talking with them, encountering accidental touches, smells, warmth, coldness- then you really know it. And you come back years later and drink that all back in, and know that the city is still there - in the people. Some buildings will change, disappear entirely sometimes, but those sounds, tastes and sights of the people last a long time, passing on through generations. Yes, they&#8217;ll last certainly a lot longer than you will, and so you can be sure that a certain essence of the city lives on, when other aspects fade. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of "fun use of geometry" (as well as a bit of astronomy and biochemistry), have you seen &lt;a HREF="http://www.bathsheba.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this site&lt;/A&gt;?  It's something I stumbled over a while back, and I decided if I ever have the income to spare on that sort of thing those are the kind of decorations I'd like to have around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;fun use of geometry&#8221; (as well as a bit of astronomy and biochemistry), have you seen <a HREF="http://www.bathsheba.com/" rel="nofollow">this site</a>?  It&#8217;s something I stumbled over a while back, and I decided if I ever have the income to spare on that sort of thing those are the kind of decorations I&#8217;d like to have around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25701</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 13:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes it is about science and we don't even realize it? :)

How does one think, one cannot become biased towards life, without the geometrical incursions tainting the world view? 

Golden Ratio tendencies....? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it is about science and we don&#8217;t even realize it? <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How does one think, one cannot become biased towards life, without the geometrical incursions tainting the world view? </p>
<p>Golden Ratio tendencies&#8230;.? <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25400</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am back in the UK in July and I am sure that it's going to be painfully expensive unless the dollar gets back to a sensible level (which isn't likely).

On the matter of design on the cheap, Target do produce a Michael Graves (who has designed for, amongst other lines, Alessi, including designing Alessi's best-selling item ever) line. Some of their furniture doesn't look bad, either; it's not made fantastically well, but I remember even back in 1989 or so, Habitat selling a bookcase for a hundred quid that looked like it had been made by a mediocre 13 year old in woodwork class. And there's always IKEA, I guess.

I did my PhD in London not that long ago, and survived OK on my EPSRC grant. Although I'd never catch the tube for less than 4 stops or so (I used to walk from the train at West Brompton to Imperial, which was fine unless there was a real downpour).

Every time I go to NYC, I experience the 'how much' moment, too, but the weakness of the dollar has made London into a place that I just can't afford to go to that often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am back in the UK in July and I am sure that it&#8217;s going to be painfully expensive unless the dollar gets back to a sensible level (which isn&#8217;t likely).</p>
<p>On the matter of design on the cheap, Target do produce a Michael Graves (who has designed for, amongst other lines, Alessi, including designing Alessi&#8217;s best-selling item ever) line. Some of their furniture doesn&#8217;t look bad, either; it&#8217;s not made fantastically well, but I remember even back in 1989 or so, Habitat selling a bookcase for a hundred quid that looked like it had been made by a mediocre 13 year old in woodwork class. And there&#8217;s always IKEA, I guess.</p>
<p>I did my PhD in London not that long ago, and survived OK on my EPSRC grant. Although I&#8217;d never catch the tube for less than 4 stops or so (I used to walk from the train at West Brompton to Imperial, which was fine unless there was a real downpour).</p>
<p>Every time I go to NYC, I experience the &#8216;how much&#8217; moment, too, but the weakness of the dollar has made London into a place that I just can&#8217;t afford to go to that often.</p>
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		<title>By: IrrationalPoint</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25296</link>
		<dc:creator>IrrationalPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotland is cheaper and they have good tea.  You cannae climb them Highland mountains wi' nought but watery yuck -- ye need a proper cuppa and porrige.  If you come visit, I shall see that you get both.

--IP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotland is cheaper and they have good tea.  You cannae climb them Highland mountains wi&#8217; nought but watery yuck &#8212; ye need a proper cuppa and porrige.  If you come visit, I shall see that you get both.</p>
<p>&#8211;IP.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25211</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 18:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Candace.... Wait.... Notice that I did not use Liberty's and Habitat prices as example comparators. I actually pointed out that design furniture (for example) can  compare pretty well to things cross the Atlantic. For price comparisons, I was using food and travel... those basic things that everyone is concerned with. I'm pretty sure that they are more expensive, once you take into account how much they are relative to the average salary, etc. I don't think it is subjective. I do agree that low-end snack food like crisps and chocolate bars can indeed be very cheap in the uk, compared to real food you would buy to eat as a meal. I don't consider this to be a good thing at all.  But then I am a bit of a curmudgeon.... ;-)

And don't get me started on electronics and electrical appliances, and things like music and video. I don't even bother visiting such stores in the UK any more. Even when I lived here I would wait until I was in the USA to buy such things. You basically swop the numerical amounts unchanged, and then with teh exchange rate find that they are twice as expensive...... Pretty sure I'm not making that up.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Candace&#8230;. Wait&#8230;. Notice that I did not use Liberty&#8217;s and Habitat prices as example comparators. I actually pointed out that design furniture (for example) can  compare pretty well to things cross the Atlantic. For price comparisons, I was using food and travel&#8230; those basic things that everyone is concerned with. I&#8217;m pretty sure that they are more expensive, once you take into account how much they are relative to the average salary, etc. I don&#8217;t think it is subjective. I do agree that low-end snack food like crisps and chocolate bars can indeed be very cheap in the uk, compared to real food you would buy to eat as a meal. I don&#8217;t consider this to be a good thing at all.  But then I am a bit of a curmudgeon&#8230;. <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on electronics and electrical appliances, and things like music and video. I don&#8217;t even bother visiting such stores in the UK any more. Even when I lived here I would wait until I was in the USA to buy such things. You basically swop the numerical amounts unchanged, and then with teh exchange rate find that they are twice as expensive&#8230;&#8230; Pretty sure I&#8217;m not making that up.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: BlogD</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25069</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 16:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha. Try living in Tokyo.</description>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25041</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago after the introduction of the Euro I had a shock when I went back to Holland. We went in at the exchange rate of â‚¬ 1 = f 2.20, but numerically the prices in restaurants (in Amsterdam and Utrecht) roughly stayed the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago after the introduction of the Euro I had a shock when I went back to Holland. We went in at the exchange rate of â‚¬ 1 = f 2.20, but numerically the prices in restaurants (in Amsterdam and Utrecht) roughly stayed the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25040</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Clifford&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;....from my problem years obsessing over the golden mean...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I seen this statement, I of course recognized your position now.

I am enthralled by such "seeing," however abstract, that it have some tangible connection to reality? 

On it's own, very artistic for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Clifford</b>:<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;.from my problem years obsessing over the golden mean&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>When I seen this statement, I of course recognized your position now.</p>
<p>I am enthralled by such &#8220;seeing,&#8221; however abstract, that it have some tangible connection to reality? </p>
<p>On it&#8217;s own, very artistic for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: candace</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25034</link>
		<dc:creator>candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 13:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, every time I go back home to the US, *I* reel from sticker shock:  "A Snickers costs HOW MUCH now?!"  Seriously, I can't believe how quickly inflation has jacked up the prices back in the US, whereas a packet of crisps is still 30p here.  Last time I was there, I was aghast at how much the prices had increased in only two years!

Also, don't forget that 
1) there is 17.5% of VAT and
2) the dollar has tanked.  Seriously tanked.

Things actually aren't that much more expensive here, it just seems eye-wateringly expensive when you have puny dollars to spend.  And besides....Habitat?? Liberty??  Not exactly discount shopping, were we?? ;)

See here:
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/source/1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, every time I go back home to the US, *I* reel from sticker shock:  &#8220;A Snickers costs HOW MUCH now?!&#8221;  Seriously, I can&#8217;t believe how quickly inflation has jacked up the prices back in the US, whereas a packet of crisps is still 30p here.  Last time I was there, I was aghast at how much the prices had increased in only two years!</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t forget that<br />
1) there is 17.5% of VAT and<br />
2) the dollar has tanked.  Seriously tanked.</p>
<p>Things actually aren&#8217;t that much more expensive here, it just seems eye-wateringly expensive when you have puny dollars to spend.  And besides&#8230;.Habitat?? Liberty??  Not exactly discount shopping, were we?? <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>See here:<br />
<a href="http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/source/1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/source/1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25033</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 12:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That glowing light fixture sort of oddly resembles a cross between a M.C. Escher sphere and a Calabi-Yau shape. The question is: what type of consumer would purchase such an item? A fan of the arts or a fan of the sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That glowing light fixture sort of oddly resembles a cross between a M.C. Escher sphere and a Calabi-Yau shape. The question is: what type of consumer would purchase such an item? A fan of the arts or a fan of the sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Science</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25032</link>
		<dc:creator>Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 11:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy boom in England has resulted in massive price rises.  It is being funded by an enormous amount of consumer debt, easy credit.

House prices have doubled over the past few years.  I bought a one-bedroom starter-home flat in Weybridge for Â£56,000 in 1999 and sold it for Â£102,500 in 2002.  With inflation going at that rate, salaries are obviously rising and other items are going up in price.

When buying a new laptop, it is tempting to take a trip to New York, buy it cheaply there, throw the box away and sneak it into the UK through the green channel of customs here.  The prices of electronics in London are probably 50-100% higher than in America.

When there is a recession triggered by an oil crisis or whatever, the UK will be in a serious state because of the huge amount of debt generated by the high prices.  Any significant jump increase in the base rate of interest would cause a crisis.  The only way out of it is to very gradually increase interest rates to reduce the amount of debt to a stable amount in a controlled way.  The UK government is not doing this as it would be unpopular with business leaders, who don't want the economic growth to slow down that way!  The public is just taking advantage of low interest rates to borrow enormous amounts on the basis that a lot of other people are doing the same thing (group-think mentality).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy boom in England has resulted in massive price rises.  It is being funded by an enormous amount of consumer debt, easy credit.</p>
<p>House prices have doubled over the past few years.  I bought a one-bedroom starter-home flat in Weybridge for Â£56,000 in 1999 and sold it for Â£102,500 in 2002.  With inflation going at that rate, salaries are obviously rising and other items are going up in price.</p>
<p>When buying a new laptop, it is tempting to take a trip to New York, buy it cheaply there, throw the box away and sneak it into the UK through the green channel of customs here.  The prices of electronics in London are probably 50-100% higher than in America.</p>
<p>When there is a recession triggered by an oil crisis or whatever, the UK will be in a serious state because of the huge amount of debt generated by the high prices.  Any significant jump increase in the base rate of interest would cause a crisis.  The only way out of it is to very gradually increase interest rates to reduce the amount of debt to a stable amount in a controlled way.  The UK government is not doing this as it would be unpopular with business leaders, who don&#8217;t want the economic growth to slow down that way!  The public is just taking advantage of low interest rates to borrow enormous amounts on the basis that a lot of other people are doing the same thing (group-think mentality).</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-25030</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 10:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damtp_dweller:- You're probably right about the Guardian, but I can't quite see it for all the huge football pictures. One would have to read a whole week's worth to make a proper assessment. Maybe when it is not silly season (when is that, exactly?)... and I am still not happy with them abandoning a science section but keeping a technology section. That seems a retrograde step to me.  And overall, I'm just a conservative when it comes to newspapers. I like the broadsheet format. I miss it. I agree that there was quite a bit of good stuff to actually read in the Saturday paper that was not football - and they kept Posy Simmons - &lt;strike&gt;...but at Â£1.30?&lt;/strike&gt; So maybe it's fine.....

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damtp_dweller:- You&#8217;re probably right about the Guardian, but I can&#8217;t quite see it for all the huge football pictures. One would have to read a whole week&#8217;s worth to make a proper assessment. Maybe when it is not silly season (when is that, exactly?)&#8230; and I am still not happy with them abandoning a science section but keeping a technology section. That seems a retrograde step to me.  And overall, I&#8217;m just a conservative when it comes to newspapers. I like the broadsheet format. I miss it. I agree that there was quite a bit of good stuff to actually read in the Saturday paper that was not football - and they kept Posy Simmons - <strike>&#8230;but at Â£1.30?</strike> So maybe it&#8217;s fine&#8230;..</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Brunsli</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-24713</link>
		<dc:creator>Brunsli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 04:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire any shopper who finds geometry.</description>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-24674</link>
		<dc:creator>damtp_dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 03:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"More sport (everywhereâ€¦ bl**dy football, and gossip about footballers and football managers and football club owners and footballerâ€™s wives - this is supposedly real news) and really huge colour pictures."&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps you're forgetting that this is silly season in the UK what with the upcoming world cup. I agree that gossip about footballers' wives does not constitute actual news but, for God's sake, this is the &lt;i&gt;world cup&lt;/i&gt;. You know, the collective national hysteria that engulfs this fair isle once every four years and leads men to cry into their pints when they realise that yet again England are going to be dumped out on penalties.

Quite honestly, if it weren't for this quadrennial spectacle of self-flagellation among all sections of the British press, from the loftiest broadsheet to the most scarlet of red-tops, this country would be a damn sight less interesting place.

By the way, I think you're completely wrong about the Guardian's move to berliner format. *Everyone* here agrees that it's a much better paper since it switched away from broadsheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;More sport (everywhereâ€¦ bl**dy football, and gossip about footballers and football managers and football club owners and footballerâ€™s wives - this is supposedly real news) and really huge colour pictures.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re forgetting that this is silly season in the UK what with the upcoming world cup. I agree that gossip about footballers&#8217; wives does not constitute actual news but, for God&#8217;s sake, this is the <i>world cup</i>. You know, the collective national hysteria that engulfs this fair isle once every four years and leads men to cry into their pints when they realise that yet again England are going to be dumped out on penalties.</p>
<p>Quite honestly, if it weren&#8217;t for this quadrennial spectacle of self-flagellation among all sections of the British press, from the loftiest broadsheet to the most scarlet of red-tops, this country would be a damn sight less interesting place.</p>
<p>By the way, I think you&#8217;re completely wrong about the Guardian&#8217;s move to berliner format. *Everyone* here agrees that it&#8217;s a much better paper since it switched away from broadsheet.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-24672</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 03:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay-as-you-go Oysters don't have to be pre-ordered any more - you can line up at the service window in any Tube stop, fill out a form, pay your three quid, and pick one up (and when you're done, they make great little souvenirs). 

As for the existance of the regualr fare schedule, I'm not sure - I assume to deal with other Brits in town, as tourists are "supposed" to buy 1-Day Travelcards (anyone who would buy one who's in London more than once just buys a PAYG Oyster). After doing the math several times from having people come to visit us, it comes out that it's a better deal to buy a bunch of Travelcards if you're planning on using the Tube for less than six days - on day six, the premium you pay for the Travelcard (over the Oyster's price capping) equals out with the three pounds you paid for the card itself. That, and we've just started keeping an extra Oyster around the house, giving it to people who visit us, and asking them to give it back with the same amount of money as was on it when they started using it.

On that note, though, the Oyster daily price-capping has done more for Tube ridership than anyone imagined, and I curse its absence when I'm using the transport systems in any other city. But you're right - three pounds for a zone 1-2 single is pretty ridiculous, and there was a fair amount of outrage when it was announced (especially since the Oyster fares were reduced simultaneously from an already-cheap level, and the Tube infrastructure needs a lot of work)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay-as-you-go Oysters don&#8217;t have to be pre-ordered any more - you can line up at the service window in any Tube stop, fill out a form, pay your three quid, and pick one up (and when you&#8217;re done, they make great little souvenirs). </p>
<p>As for the existance of the regualr fare schedule, I&#8217;m not sure - I assume to deal with other Brits in town, as tourists are &#8220;supposed&#8221; to buy 1-Day Travelcards (anyone who would buy one who&#8217;s in London more than once just buys a PAYG Oyster). After doing the math several times from having people come to visit us, it comes out that it&#8217;s a better deal to buy a bunch of Travelcards if you&#8217;re planning on using the Tube for less than six days - on day six, the premium you pay for the Travelcard (over the Oyster&#8217;s price capping) equals out with the three pounds you paid for the card itself. That, and we&#8217;ve just started keeping an extra Oyster around the house, giving it to people who visit us, and asking them to give it back with the same amount of money as was on it when they started using it.</p>
<p>On that note, though, the Oyster daily price-capping has done more for Tube ridership than anyone imagined, and I curse its absence when I&#8217;m using the transport systems in any other city. But you&#8217;re right - three pounds for a zone 1-2 single is pretty ridiculous, and there was a fair amount of outrage when it was announced (especially since the Oyster fares were reduced simultaneously from an already-cheap level, and the Tube infrastructure needs a lot of work)</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-24668</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 02:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it is a really weird way to run a system... with two tiers. If you really want to get people to use the lower priced method.... why have the higher price at all? Unless you're trying to screw the visitor over.... which is who I'm writing for mostly in the above.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it is a really weird way to run a system&#8230; with two tiers. If you really want to get people to use the lower priced method&#8230;. why have the higher price at all? Unless you&#8217;re trying to screw the visitor over&#8230;. which is who I&#8217;m writing for mostly in the above.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Wowbagger</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/20/how-much/#comment-24665</link>
		<dc:creator>Wowbagger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 01:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you mentioned Oyster, but I wanted to make the point that part of the idea of setting high prices for regular tickets is to get people to switch to Oyster (i.e. they're not just trying to screw regular commuters over). However you are right about visitors -- Oysters have to be pre-ordered, so they're not an option for one-time visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you mentioned Oyster, but I wanted to make the point that part of the idea of setting high prices for regular tickets is to get people to switch to Oyster (i.e. they&#8217;re not just trying to screw regular commuters over). However you are right about visitors &#8212; Oysters have to be pre-ordered, so they&#8217;re not an option for one-time visitors.</p>
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