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	<title>Comments on: Unsolicited advice, Part Deux:  Choosing a grad school</title>
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		<title>By: Unsolicited Advice, Part Three: Choosing an Undergraduate School &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14089</link>
		<dc:creator>Unsolicited Advice, Part Three: Choosing an Undergraduate School &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In comments, JMG3Y asks, &#8220;Where should a smart science-oriented high school student with a breadth of interests go to college?&#8221; This deserves a much more careful answer, but time is precious, so consider this a rough draft of an answer, which people are welcome to amplify in the comments. (Past installments here and here. At some future date there will be an installment on &#8220;How to be a good graduate student.&#8221;) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In comments, JMG3Y asks, &#8220;Where should a smart science-oriented high school student with a breadth of interests go to college?&#8221; This deserves a much more careful answer, but time is precious, so consider this a rough draft of an answer, which people are welcome to amplify in the comments. (Past installments here and here. At some future date there will be an installment on &#8220;How to be a good graduate student.&#8221;) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14088</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to grad school is serious stuff, and is usually driven by the quest for knowledge advancement and acquisition (the latter perhaps to a lesser extent at the doctoral level).

Especially at the doctoral level, the candidate is judged on the originality of research that would add to the existing corpus of knowledge, albeit incrementally.

The emphasis is on depth, drilling deep into the subject matter, and one is expected to know more than the advisor.

Independence of thought and ability to critique the works of others are necessary traits that a candidate should cultivate.

The first one-two years are spent on taking the core and allied courses (typical of the US system), the latter forming the minority areas that are relevant to the research.

The candidate will need to organize and synchronize the different work elements (the lab, the field, the computer programing, the reading, etc.) in a time-controlled environment so as to bear on the identified research.

That said, graduate study is by no means working in a vacuum; there is always a healthy support system comprising lab technicians, library stuff, fellow graduate students, Ph.D. holders (both old and recently minted), and advisors and other faculty members. It's an art for the candidate to be able to optimize the access to and gleaning relevant information from this disparate group of people who are governed and driven by individual goals and exhibit different character traits, or flaws for that matter.

The last but not the least, it was instilled into me earlier in the doctoral pursuit that one's supervisory commitee, whose individual members hold sway on whether one would earn that haloed appellation "Ph.D." at the end of a seemingly endless journey, is set to find out what you know, and NOT what you don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to grad school is serious stuff, and is usually driven by the quest for knowledge advancement and acquisition (the latter perhaps to a lesser extent at the doctoral level).</p>
<p>Especially at the doctoral level, the candidate is judged on the originality of research that would add to the existing corpus of knowledge, albeit incrementally.</p>
<p>The emphasis is on depth, drilling deep into the subject matter, and one is expected to know more than the advisor.</p>
<p>Independence of thought and ability to critique the works of others are necessary traits that a candidate should cultivate.</p>
<p>The first one-two years are spent on taking the core and allied courses (typical of the US system), the latter forming the minority areas that are relevant to the research.</p>
<p>The candidate will need to organize and synchronize the different work elements (the lab, the field, the computer programing, the reading, etc.) in a time-controlled environment so as to bear on the identified research.</p>
<p>That said, graduate study is by no means working in a vacuum; there is always a healthy support system comprising lab technicians, library stuff, fellow graduate students, Ph.D. holders (both old and recently minted), and advisors and other faculty members. It&#8217;s an art for the candidate to be able to optimize the access to and gleaning relevant information from this disparate group of people who are governed and driven by individual goals and exhibit different character traits, or flaws for that matter.</p>
<p>The last but not the least, it was instilled into me earlier in the doctoral pursuit that one&#8217;s supervisory commitee, whose individual members hold sway on whether one would earn that haloed appellation &#8220;Ph.D.&#8221; at the end of a seemingly endless journey, is set to find out what you know, and NOT what you don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14087</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that choosing a grad school is a very personal decision, having first gone through the process more than 20 years ago.

However, I did regret not applying to those at the upper end of Tier 1 schools to see where I would have stood. But to the two I've gone, one on the east and the other on the west, there were memorable sojourns, more so because my wife and kids were with me who provided unrestrained moral support through it all.

For SOTAs (students over the traditional age) like me, emotional support is a critical element. Many a time when all seemed lost, and those times are by no means rare (lab material not forthcoming, fumbling in the qualifying, reseach going no where, etc.), what sustained me were the very thought of my family and their unreserved trust on my capability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that choosing a grad school is a very personal decision, having first gone through the process more than 20 years ago.</p>
<p>However, I did regret not applying to those at the upper end of Tier 1 schools to see where I would have stood. But to the two I&#8217;ve gone, one on the east and the other on the west, there were memorable sojourns, more so because my wife and kids were with me who provided unrestrained moral support through it all.</p>
<p>For SOTAs (students over the traditional age) like me, emotional support is a critical element. Many a time when all seemed lost, and those times are by no means rare (lab material not forthcoming, fumbling in the qualifying, reseach going no where, etc.), what sustained me were the very thought of my family and their unreserved trust on my capability.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jsym, there is no right answer to these questions; different people are obviously just different.  The important thing is to know which factors should be taken into account, but then weigh them against each other to see where you personally are comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jsym, there is no right answer to these questions; different people are obviously just different.  The important thing is to know which factors should be taken into account, but then weigh them against each other to see where you personally are comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: jsym</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14086</link>
		<dc:creator>jsym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you had to choose between a more prestigious school/group and a school that you liked more (in a very impressionistic, unscientific way, except that it is warmer)... where would you go?  how much does extracurricular play against your career (especially if both are good choices... and either way you'll most likely end up in the same place FNAL or CERN, etc...)  and how important is your advisor's connections in deciding your career?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you had to choose between a more prestigious school/group and a school that you liked more (in a very impressionistic, unscientific way, except that it is warmer)&#8230; where would you go?  how much does extracurricular play against your career (especially if both are good choices&#8230; and either way you&#8217;ll most likely end up in the same place FNAL or CERN, etc&#8230;)  and how important is your advisor&#8217;s connections in deciding your career?</p>
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		<title>By: Supernova</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator>Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I like your idea of keeping track of the graduates.  This could help with educating students about potential career paths other than the traditional academic route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I like your idea of keeping track of the graduates.  This could help with educating students about potential career paths other than the traditional academic route.</p>
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		<title>By: Supernova</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14084</link>
		<dc:creator>Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14084</guid>
		<description>Ponderer -- yes, I commented on the "human-friendly" thing at the top of the post...

And I never claimed that "critical mass" meant a 1:1 ratio.  Again, as I noted in my last post, it just means &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt; women so that being a woman doesn't seem so strange.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ponderer &#8212; yes, I commented on the &#8220;human-friendly&#8221; thing at the top of the post&#8230;</p>
<p>And I never claimed that &#8220;critical mass&#8221; meant a 1:1 ratio.  Again, as I noted in my last post, it just means <i>enough</i> women so that being a woman doesn&#8217;t seem so strange.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ponderer of Things</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14083</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderer of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14083</guid>
		<description>Supernova - thanks.
I would like to add that a lot if not most of the things on that list is something that not only makes sense but also that would benefit male scientists as well! Health insurance, good pay, housing, affordable child care. I think we should start ranking departments in terms of human-friendliness! :)
I also think that male scientists could benefit from having critical mass of female faculty and students! (As someone who had 73 male and 4 female classmates in narrowly specialized physics/math/engineering college, trust me on this one!).

One thing that I wish departments did more often is to keep an updated registry of their PhD alumni. This would tell a lot of prospective students about how successful (or unsuccessful) former students from the department or particular advisor are, or how many years it took them to complete their PhD's for example. There's a lot of wishful thinking that needs to be disillusioned early, even if some dreams (like graduating in 5 years) need to be broken.

Other things - like getting critical mass of faculty, is something that will happen over time, but cannot unfortunately occur overnight. Even if departments stop hiring men altogether, it would take most departments several decades to reach equal ratio. I hope most people realize this simple math...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supernova - thanks.<br />
I would like to add that a lot if not most of the things on that list is something that not only makes sense but also that would benefit male scientists as well! Health insurance, good pay, housing, affordable child care. I think we should start ranking departments in terms of human-friendliness! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I also think that male scientists could benefit from having critical mass of female faculty and students! (As someone who had 73 male and 4 female classmates in narrowly specialized physics/math/engineering college, trust me on this one!).</p>
<p>One thing that I wish departments did more often is to keep an updated registry of their PhD alumni. This would tell a lot of prospective students about how successful (or unsuccessful) former students from the department or particular advisor are, or how many years it took them to complete their PhD&#8217;s for example. There&#8217;s a lot of wishful thinking that needs to be disillusioned early, even if some dreams (like graduating in 5 years) need to be broken.</p>
<p>Other things - like getting critical mass of faculty, is something that will happen over time, but cannot unfortunately occur overnight. Even if departments stop hiring men altogether, it would take most departments several decades to reach equal ratio. I hope most people realize this simple math&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Radioactive Banana &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My own unsolicited advice regarding physics graduate school&#8230;and life</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14082</link>
		<dc:creator>Radioactive Banana &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My own unsolicited advice regarding physics graduate school&#8230;and life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14082</guid>
		<description>[...] Cosmic Variance recently posted with advice about choosing a physics graduate school. Anyone who&#8217;s been following my blog for a while knows that I have some mixed feelings about my own graduate school experience. But when I regret that I could have been doing something else more fun or lucrative during my twenties, I have to remind myself that I would have regretted it still more if I hadn&#8217;t done physics graduate school. Becoming a physicist was very important to the person I was at 22. And even if I had done something else instead, I still would have had to learn some of the same lessons anyway, and it still would have hurt. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Cosmic Variance recently posted with advice about choosing a physics graduate school. Anyone who&#8217;s been following my blog for a while knows that I have some mixed feelings about my own graduate school experience. But when I regret that I could have been doing something else more fun or lucrative during my twenties, I have to remind myself that I would have regretted it still more if I hadn&#8217;t done physics graduate school. Becoming a physicist was very important to the person I was at 22. And even if I had done something else instead, I still would have had to learn some of the same lessons anyway, and it still would have hurt. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Supernova</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14012</link>
		<dc:creator>Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/03/29/unsolicited-advice-part-deux-choosing-a-grad-school/#comment-14012</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if someone could comment on what qualities make the department "female friendly" or "unfriendly".&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here are some things that can help a place friendly for women in science.  Note that not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; are required for friendliness, that these tend to be tangible characteristics and not intangibles like colleagues' attitudes and behaviors toward women, and that there are certainly others I haven't listed.  Also, when I use the term "critical mass," I'm not talking about a specific number, but only "enough so that women aren't unusual or rare, and don't stand out simply by virtue of being female" at a particular rank.  Oh, and you may also notice that many of these things &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; make a place friendly for men.  What a coincidence!

For undergraduates:
a critical mass of women in their major courses
female professors who teach courses and advise students
opportunities for interaction with female grad students, postdocs, professors, and visitors
support from the department such as advising, a student lounge, peer study groups, and information or workshops on things like research internships, grad school, and potential career paths
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported
active mentoring by older students, grad students, postdocs, and/or faculty
a campus group focusing on issues related to women in science

For grad students and postdocs:
a critical mass of women among their peers
female professors who teach courses and advise students
clearly defined guidelines for success in the graduate program, including course grades, prelim/qual exams, and expectations for the dissertation/thesis
departmental willingness to help make arrangements for a trailing spouse or partner
institutional policies for maternity/family leave
affordable campus housing and child care
reasonable salaries and family health insurance for teaching and research assistants and postdocs
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported
colleagues and admissions committees who are aware of the issues surrounding women's representation in the sciences and behave accordingly
access to current information regarding the academic job market and non-academic career paths
active mentoring by older students, postdocs, and/or faculty
a campus group focusing on issues related to women in science

For faculty members:

a critical mass of women in their department and among their administrators
clearly defined guidelines for promotion and tenure
clearly defined salary structures
departmental willingness to help make arrangements for a trailing spouse or partner (including spousal-hire or position-sharing policies)
institutional policies for maternity/family leave, part-time work, and temporary stopping or slowing of the tenure clock
home-buying assistance and affordable child care
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported
colleagues and hiring committees who are aware of the issues surrounding women's representation in the sciences and behave accordingly
departmental and university officials who conduct periodic assessments of the status and satisfaction of women within their ranks, taking into account salaries, progress toward tenure, lab space, students, and other forms of official support or reward
active mentoring by older colleagues
a university committee or office focusing on issues related to women in science</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if someone could comment on what qualities make the department &#8220;female friendly&#8221; or &#8220;unfriendly&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here are some things that can help a place friendly for women in science.  Note that not <i>all</i> are required for friendliness, that these tend to be tangible characteristics and not intangibles like colleagues&#8217; attitudes and behaviors toward women, and that there are certainly others I haven&#8217;t listed.  Also, when I use the term &#8220;critical mass,&#8221; I&#8217;m not talking about a specific number, but only &#8220;enough so that women aren&#8217;t unusual or rare, and don&#8217;t stand out simply by virtue of being female&#8221; at a particular rank.  Oh, and you may also notice that many of these things <i>also</i> make a place friendly for men.  What a coincidence!</p>
<p>For undergraduates:<br />
a critical mass of women in their major courses<br />
female professors who teach courses and advise students<br />
opportunities for interaction with female grad students, postdocs, professors, and visitors<br />
support from the department such as advising, a student lounge, peer study groups, and information or workshops on things like research internships, grad school, and potential career paths<br />
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported<br />
active mentoring by older students, grad students, postdocs, and/or faculty<br />
a campus group focusing on issues related to women in science</p>
<p>For grad students and postdocs:<br />
a critical mass of women among their peers<br />
female professors who teach courses and advise students<br />
clearly defined guidelines for success in the graduate program, including course grades, prelim/qual exams, and expectations for the dissertation/thesis<br />
departmental willingness to help make arrangements for a trailing spouse or partner<br />
institutional policies for maternity/family leave<br />
affordable campus housing and child care<br />
reasonable salaries and family health insurance for teaching and research assistants and postdocs<br />
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported<br />
colleagues and admissions committees who are aware of the issues surrounding women&#8217;s representation in the sciences and behave accordingly<br />
access to current information regarding the academic job market and non-academic career paths<br />
active mentoring by older students, postdocs, and/or faculty<br />
a campus group focusing on issues related to women in science</p>
<p>For faculty members:</p>
<p>a critical mass of women in their department and among their administrators<br />
clearly defined guidelines for promotion and tenure<br />
clearly defined salary structures<br />
departmental willingness to help make arrangements for a trailing spouse or partner (including spousal-hire or position-sharing policies)<br />
institutional policies for maternity/family leave, part-time work, and temporary stopping or slowing of the tenure clock<br />
home-buying assistance and affordable child care<br />
clearly defined campus policies regarding discrimination and sexual harassment, including a well-publicized office where occurrences can be anonymously reported<br />
colleagues and hiring committees who are aware of the issues surrounding women&#8217;s representation in the sciences and behave accordingly<br />
departmental and university officials who conduct periodic assessments of the status and satisfaction of women within their ranks, taking into account salaries, progress toward tenure, lab space, students, and other forms of official support or reward<br />
active mentoring by older colleagues<br />
a university committee or office focusing on issues related to women in science</p>
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