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		<title>By: Love and Blogging &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-140190</link>
		<dc:creator>Love and Blogging &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All of which, in a fumbling and hopefully-charming way, is to say that it&#8217;s happened. I&#8217;ve fallen hopelessly for the beautiful and talented Jennifer Ouellette, science writer extraordinaire and proprietess of Cocktail Party Physics. I first plugged her blog (completely innocently! honestly!) back in March, and we met in person at an APS meeting, of all places. Best conference ever. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All of which, in a fumbling and hopefully-charming way, is to say that it&#8217;s happened. I&#8217;ve fallen hopelessly for the beautiful and talented Jennifer Ouellette, science writer extraordinaire and proprietess of Cocktail Party Physics. I first plugged her blog (completely innocently! honestly!) back in March, and we met in person at an APS meeting, of all places. Best conference ever. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-17041</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

How do you know that Schwinger's young women counterparts weren't fascinated about source theory and perhaps didn't have their own ideas on the subject?  Afterall, many young women I meet today are very well versed on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>How do you know that Schwinger&#8217;s young women counterparts weren&#8217;t fascinated about source theory and perhaps didn&#8217;t have their own ideas on the subject?  Afterall, many young women I meet today are very well versed on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Oakley</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14599</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaarrrggghh ... I just "got" Matt's joke (I'm a bit slow, as the brain isn't working as well as it used to).

Re: Feynman, I'm amazed that he owns up to his misdemeanours in his books ... knocking a slice off his student's wives, whoring, hanging out in strip clubs. Definitely taking the "What do you care what other people think?" philosophy on board, although I don't suppose that his first wife really meant him to interpret her words in that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaarrrggghh &#8230; I just &#8220;got&#8221; Matt&#8217;s joke (I&#8217;m a bit slow, as the brain isn&#8217;t working as well as it used to).</p>
<p>Re: Feynman, I&#8217;m amazed that he owns up to his misdemeanours in his books &#8230; knocking a slice off his student&#8217;s wives, whoring, hanging out in strip clubs. Definitely taking the &#8220;What do you care what other people think?&#8221; philosophy on board, although I don&#8217;t suppose that his first wife really meant him to interpret her words in that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Sorts of Stuff</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14595</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Sorts of Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another Seed article that has gotten a lot of attention because of it&#8217;s topic is one called Getting Physical about physicists and sex. See commentary here and here. This last link is to Jennifer Ouellete&#8217;s new blog Cocktail Party Physics, which is of independent interest. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another Seed article that has gotten a lot of attention because of it&#8217;s topic is one called Getting Physical about physicists and sex. See commentary here and here. This last link is to Jennifer Ouellete&#8217;s new blog Cocktail Party Physics, which is of independent interest. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14591</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one of the most bizarre stories regarding the intersection of sex and physics, is the fact that in the early 20th century, radium laced drinks were sold as aphrodisiacs, 

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/bbdb0b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

There is a story about one wealthy industrialist who developed cancer of the jaw by consuming these drinks which allegedly enhanced sexual performance. 

Strange but true.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one of the most bizarre stories regarding the intersection of sex and physics, is the fact that in the early 20th century, radium laced drinks were sold as aphrodisiacs, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/bbdb0b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/bbdb0b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html</a></p>
<p>There is a story about one wealthy industrialist who developed cancer of the jaw by consuming these drinks which allegedly enhanced sexual performance. </p>
<p>Strange but true.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14580</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lattice gauge theorists are most discrete.</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14563</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the old saying goes, "Sex is physics..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the old saying goes, &#8220;Sex is physics&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14562</link>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physicists seem to have an obsession with whether or not they are sexy. Perhaps this is a reflection of their so-called macho culture - my calculation/ experiment is bigger than yours, needle dick - that has of late been held responsible for the under-representation of women in their ranks. It's something they should 'get over'; some are sexy, and some aren't. So what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicists seem to have an obsession with whether or not they are sexy. Perhaps this is a reflection of their so-called macho culture - my calculation/ experiment is bigger than yours, needle dick - that has of late been held responsible for the under-representation of women in their ranks. It&#8217;s something they should &#8216;get over&#8217;; some are sexy, and some aren&#8217;t. So what.</p>
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		<title>By: Tez</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14554</link>
		<dc:creator>Tez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ES had three, not four, daughters.</description>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14553</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SchrÃ¶dinger was indeed the master of superposition.</description>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14551</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the physicists today are more discreet?  Maybe they're not the "rock stars" that the Einsteins, et al. were to the general public, so have fewer opportunities?  Maybe the greater number of women in the field has changed the culture?  Maybe they don't have the luxury of being "gentlemen scholars" like they used to, thus leaving less energy for l'amour?  I can think of lots of reasons for this anecdotal lack of modern lotharios that have nothing to do with a "lack of genius" or whatever that seems to be the implication.  "Ah, if only physicists today were the womanizers they used to be!" seems to be what some people want to sigh out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the physicists today are more discreet?  Maybe they&#8217;re not the &#8220;rock stars&#8221; that the Einsteins, et al. were to the general public, so have fewer opportunities?  Maybe the greater number of women in the field has changed the culture?  Maybe they don&#8217;t have the luxury of being &#8220;gentlemen scholars&#8221; like they used to, thus leaving less energy for l&#8217;amour?  I can think of lots of reasons for this anecdotal lack of modern lotharios that have nothing to do with a &#8220;lack of genius&#8221; or whatever that seems to be the implication.  &#8220;Ah, if only physicists today were the womanizers they used to be!&#8221; seems to be what some people want to sigh out.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14545</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe that nobody has metioned SchrÃ¶dinger...

I quote:
"To understand SchrÃ¶dinger's request for March we must digress a little and comment on SchrÃ¶dinger's liking for women. His relations with his wife had never been good and he had had many lovers with his wife's knowledge. Anny had her own lover for many years, SchrÃ¶dinger's friend Weyl. SchrÃ¶dinger's request for March to be his assistant was because, at that time, he was in love with Arthur March's wife Hilde."
&lt;a href="http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Schrodinger.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Biography&lt;/a&gt;

To appoint a research assistant because you want an affair with his wife??
He then went on to live in an openly bigamous relationship with both Hilde and his wife Anny.  
and it goes on,  in total he had four daughters to four different women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that nobody has metioned SchrÃ¶dinger&#8230;</p>
<p>I quote:<br />
&#8220;To understand SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s request for March we must digress a little and comment on SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s liking for women. His relations with his wife had never been good and he had had many lovers with his wife&#8217;s knowledge. Anny had her own lover for many years, SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s friend Weyl. SchrÃ¶dinger&#8217;s request for March to be his assistant was because, at that time, he was in love with Arthur March&#8217;s wife Hilde.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Schrodinger.html" rel="nofollow">Biography</a></p>
<p>To appoint a research assistant because you want an affair with his wife??<br />
He then went on to live in an openly bigamous relationship with both Hilde and his wife Anny.<br />
and it goes on,  in total he had four daughters to four different women.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14544</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second day of an ACS meeting - horrible hangovers all around (and a few smiles).
Second day of an APS meeting - it's still a Star Trek convention (without the costumes). 

Physicists (especially the experimentalists) are under incredible pressure to get things right.  Chemists are satisfied with yield.  One therefore posits that string theory is the place to get lucky - not even a rumor of empirical constraint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second day of an ACS meeting - horrible hangovers all around (and a few smiles).<br />
Second day of an APS meeting - it&#8217;s still a Star Trek convention (without the costumes). </p>
<p>Physicists (especially the experimentalists) are under incredible pressure to get things right.  Chemists are satisfied with yield.  One therefore posits that string theory is the place to get lucky - not even a rumor of empirical constraint.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14542</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, fh!.... since when does excellent knowledge of a city's nightlife (or even marriage to a Cabaret performer) make one into a Casanova? I feel I have to rise and defend the physicists who choose to have lives outside the standard box we're usually put into!

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, fh!&#8230;. since when does excellent knowledge of a city&#8217;s nightlife (or even marriage to a Cabaret performer) make one into a Casanova? I feel I have to rise and defend the physicists who choose to have lives outside the standard box we&#8217;re usually put into!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14541</link>
		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where's Pauli?

Heisenberg writes about Paulis excellent knowledge of the Munich nightlife, and legend has it he came up with the exclusion principle while watching a cabaret show in Paris (he was married briefly to a cabaret performer actually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s Pauli?</p>
<p>Heisenberg writes about Paulis excellent knowledge of the Munich nightlife, and legend has it he came up with the exclusion principle while watching a cabaret show in Paris (he was married briefly to a cabaret performer actually).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14540</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real horndogs aren't physicists but librarians like Cassanova and Georges Bataille. They'll tell a girl anything to get 'em to open up only to shelve 'em immediately afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real horndogs aren&#8217;t physicists but librarians like Cassanova and Georges Bataille. They&#8217;ll tell a girl anything to get &#8216;em to open up only to shelve &#8216;em immediately afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14536</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this quality I heard of as well, had been on my mind about I had heard of Feynman. But being something "ole fashion," I think the greater message should been of family, of faithfulness to companionship?

Let me revert to "something else" I learnt about Feynman.

 That I might shock you about "such honor" attributed to "love" in the relationship.  After all, this part on sex, it came through anothers mouth too. Individuals, who had past it on from one mouth to another, all the while we are getting closer to the source. 

Might it have been biased by the individual writer? A discription on the scene, could some how "the truth" have filtered through?

&lt;b&gt;Feynman&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I'm not worried about my own future in heaven or hell. I have a theory about that that does come from science. I believe in scientific discoveries and therefore have a view about myself that is consistent. Now I've just been to the hospital and I don't know how long I have to live. It happens to us sooner or later. Everybody dies. It's just a matter of when. But with Arlene I was really happy for a while. So I have had it all. After Arlene, the rest of my life didn't have to to be so good, you see, because I had already had it all&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Feynman's Rainbow&lt;/b&gt;, by Leonard Mlodinow, pg 159 and 160

So, we had not noticed this side of the man? I leave it now, for who Arlene was. I leave it, for those closest to him.

I like to think more, on the perspective he had on science, then the attributes "good professors and mathematicians who would lead us into the "ethical behaviors debate," as the sex proliferates our views of the man. One can realize the impact "that experience" had on Feynman? Tells us something about him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this quality I heard of as well, had been on my mind about I had heard of Feynman. But being something &#8220;ole fashion,&#8221; I think the greater message should been of family, of faithfulness to companionship?</p>
<p>Let me revert to &#8220;something else&#8221; I learnt about Feynman.</p>
<p> That I might shock you about &#8220;such honor&#8221; attributed to &#8220;love&#8221; in the relationship.  After all, this part on sex, it came through anothers mouth too. Individuals, who had past it on from one mouth to another, all the while we are getting closer to the source. </p>
<p>Might it have been biased by the individual writer? A discription on the scene, could some how &#8220;the truth&#8221; have filtered through?</p>
<p><b>Feynman</b>:<br />
<blockquote><i>I&#8217;m not worried about my own future in heaven or hell. I have a theory about that that does come from science. I believe in scientific discoveries and therefore have a view about myself that is consistent. Now I&#8217;ve just been to the hospital and I don&#8217;t know how long I have to live. It happens to us sooner or later. Everybody dies. It&#8217;s just a matter of when. But with Arlene I was really happy for a while. So I have had it all. After Arlene, the rest of my life didn&#8217;t have to to be so good, you see, because I had already had it all</i></p></blockquote>
<p><b>Feynman&#8217;s Rainbow</b>, by Leonard Mlodinow, pg 159 and 160</p>
<p>So, we had not noticed this side of the man? I leave it now, for who Arlene was. I leave it, for those closest to him.</p>
<p>I like to think more, on the perspective he had on science, then the attributes &#8220;good professors and mathematicians who would lead us into the &#8220;ethical behaviors debate,&#8221; as the sex proliferates our views of the man. One can realize the impact &#8220;that experience&#8221; had on Feynman? Tells us something about him?</p>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14535</link>
		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, from the kind of comment spam that I had to delete from my &lt;a href="http://latticeqcd.blogspot.com/2005/11/comment-spam.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; I would assume that physicists are still considered sexy -- at least by non-existent girls who can't spell :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, from the kind of comment spam that I had to delete from my <a href="http://latticeqcd.blogspot.com/2005/11/comment-spam.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a> I would assume that physicists are still considered sexy &#8212; at least by non-existent girls who can&#8217;t spell <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14534</link>
		<dc:creator>allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a great line from last October's Onion: 
&lt;a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41454" rel="nofollow"&gt;Philandering String Theorist Can Explain Everything&lt;/a&gt;.

As for particle physics, the tone of the field sure seems to have shifted; even with the arxiv, people seem much less willing to publically discuss (or publish) half-baked ideas than a generation ago - to brainstorm out loud, as it were.  I bet most young theorists would say that bold and saucy wrong ideas are far worse for your career than tame and dry right ones.  We're risk-averse.  Maybe that's just what happens when a field gets huge and institutionalized -- or disconnected from data.  (Which predicts that more and more wild papers should appear as the LHC start date draws near...)

That said, there are still loads of iconoclasts.  Philandering or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a great line from last October&#8217;s Onion:<br />
<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41454" rel="nofollow">Philandering String Theorist Can Explain Everything</a>.</p>
<p>As for particle physics, the tone of the field sure seems to have shifted; even with the arxiv, people seem much less willing to publically discuss (or publish) half-baked ideas than a generation ago - to brainstorm out loud, as it were.  I bet most young theorists would say that bold and saucy wrong ideas are far worse for your career than tame and dry right ones.  We&#8217;re risk-averse.  Maybe that&#8217;s just what happens when a field gets huge and institutionalized &#8212; or disconnected from data.  (Which predicts that more and more wild papers should appear as the LHC start date draws near&#8230;)</p>
<p>That said, there are still loads of iconoclasts.  Philandering or not.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/03/01/sex-and-physics/#comment-14532</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual harrassment lawsuits etc. are often messy and expensive. In a competitive job market any indicators that one lacks personal restraint could weigh negatively in hiring and promotions. Do you think many colleges would risk potential sexual harrassment lawsuits by hiring an academic with a Casanova reputation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual harrassment lawsuits etc. are often messy and expensive. In a competitive job market any indicators that one lacks personal restraint could weigh negatively in hiring and promotions. Do you think many colleges would risk potential sexual harrassment lawsuits by hiring an academic with a Casanova reputation?</p>
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