<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.3.1" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Cartoons</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/</link>
	<description>Random samplings from a universe of ideas.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Rory Connor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11874</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11874</guid>
		<description>DANISH CARTOONS AND "PISS CHRIST"

Catholics subject to insensitivity (The Sunday Tribune, Ireland, 12 February 2006)

"ALL people, all religions, have to be open to criticism but it must be constructive and sensitive. [A debate] . . . cannot be achieved by extremism in either culture."

"We in the Sunday Tribune are against censorship and believe passionately in freedom of speech. But the publication of cartoons that Muslims find so offencive was not correct. For that reason we are not reproducing them today"
(Sunday Tribune Editorial 5 February).

Is the Tribune serious? Do you recall the obscene and vicious attacks on Nora Wall (Sister Dominic). "Vile Nun", "Pervert Nun", "I was Raped by Anti-Christ". Did you imagine that these came from people who were concerned about child abuse? Do you remember the article by the Sunday World 's crime correspondent Paul Williams "Rape Nun's Abuse Pact by Smyth". He claimed that Nora Wall had procured children for Fr Brendan Smyth! Nora Wall sued and got damages of 175,000. I don't recall the Sunday Tribune (or any "Liberal" newspaper) highlighting the issue. Did you even mention it and if so when?

Several years ago, The Irish Times did an article about "Piss Christ", an artistic masterpiece that showed a crucifix in a bucket of urine. American Christians who wanted to deny public money to the artist were called "fascists" by The Irish Times. What was the constructive and sensitive response by the Tribune?

Do you really think that liberals can (literally) spew vomit over Christianity and their own culture and then demand tolerance of Muslims?

Berthold Brecht was the leading intellectual in the Weimar Republic. He was also a Stalinist bootlicker. His own mistress Carola Neher, star of The Threepenny Opera, visited the Soviet Union, was arrested and disappeared forever into the Gulag. Brecht did not protest or lift a finger to help her (it would have meant allying himself with "reactionaries"). The obscene treatment of Nora Wall, Sister Stanislaus Kennedy and Sister Xaviera by Irish "liberals" is on the same moral level and you are equally unfitted to fight against our modern fascists.

Rory Connor, 11 Lohunda Grove, Dublin 15.

www.tribune.ie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DANISH CARTOONS AND &#8220;PISS CHRIST&#8221;</p>
<p>Catholics subject to insensitivity (The Sunday Tribune, Ireland, 12 February 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;ALL people, all religions, have to be open to criticism but it must be constructive and sensitive. [A debate] . . . cannot be achieved by extremism in either culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We in the Sunday Tribune are against censorship and believe passionately in freedom of speech. But the publication of cartoons that Muslims find so offencive was not correct. For that reason we are not reproducing them today&#8221;<br />
(Sunday Tribune Editorial 5 February).</p>
<p>Is the Tribune serious? Do you recall the obscene and vicious attacks on Nora Wall (Sister Dominic). &#8220;Vile Nun&#8221;, &#8220;Pervert Nun&#8221;, &#8220;I was Raped by Anti-Christ&#8221;. Did you imagine that these came from people who were concerned about child abuse? Do you remember the article by the Sunday World &#8217;s crime correspondent Paul Williams &#8220;Rape Nun&#8217;s Abuse Pact by Smyth&#8221;. He claimed that Nora Wall had procured children for Fr Brendan Smyth! Nora Wall sued and got damages of 175,000. I don&#8217;t recall the Sunday Tribune (or any &#8220;Liberal&#8221; newspaper) highlighting the issue. Did you even mention it and if so when?</p>
<p>Several years ago, The Irish Times did an article about &#8220;Piss Christ&#8221;, an artistic masterpiece that showed a crucifix in a bucket of urine. American Christians who wanted to deny public money to the artist were called &#8220;fascists&#8221; by The Irish Times. What was the constructive and sensitive response by the Tribune?</p>
<p>Do you really think that liberals can (literally) spew vomit over Christianity and their own culture and then demand tolerance of Muslims?</p>
<p>Berthold Brecht was the leading intellectual in the Weimar Republic. He was also a Stalinist bootlicker. His own mistress Carola Neher, star of The Threepenny Opera, visited the Soviet Union, was arrested and disappeared forever into the Gulag. Brecht did not protest or lift a finger to help her (it would have meant allying himself with &#8220;reactionaries&#8221;). The obscene treatment of Nora Wall, Sister Stanislaus Kennedy and Sister Xaviera by Irish &#8220;liberals&#8221; is on the same moral level and you are equally unfitted to fight against our modern fascists.</p>
<p>Rory Connor, 11 Lohunda Grove, Dublin 15.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tribune.ie" rel="nofollow">www.tribune.ie</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11927</guid>
		<description>Some cartoon-related news from India:

http://hindustantimes.com/news/181_1630952,0008.htm

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060220/43/62m7f.html

and some from England:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia219.xml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some cartoon-related news from India:</p>
<p><a href="http://hindustantimes.com/news/181_1630952,0008.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hindustantimes.com/news/181_1630952,0008.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/060220/43/62m7f.html" rel="nofollow">http://in.news.yahoo.com/060220/43/62m7f.html</a></p>
<p>and some from England:<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia219.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia219.xml</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ghazal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11926</link>
		<dc:creator>ghazal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11926</guid>
		<description>There are two other articles about this subject at http://freethoughts.org/  from other perspectives</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two other articles about this subject at <a href="http://freethoughts.org/" rel="nofollow">http://freethoughts.org/</a>  from other perspectives</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ranlen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11925</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11925</guid>
		<description>Theo Van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's film Submission can be viewed at www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theo Van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali&#8217;s film Submission can be viewed at <a href="http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656" rel="nofollow">www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11924</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11924</guid>
		<description>http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn't stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn&#8217;t stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech.</p></blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11923</guid>
		<description>http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/02/where-is-denmark.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/02/where-is-denmark.html" rel="nofollow">http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/02/where-is-denmark.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Amitabha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11922</link>
		<dc:creator>Amitabha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11922</guid>
		<description>#60, Arun, Possibly. I do not know. (The author of the referenced blog may know more.)
My &lt;i&gt;guess&lt;/i&gt; is that the book was rejected by more than one `big' publishers before it was published by a `small' publisher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60, Arun, Possibly. I do not know. (The author of the referenced blog may know more.)<br />
My <i>guess</i> is that the book was rejected by more than one `big&#8217; publishers before it was published by a `small&#8217; publisher.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11921</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11921</guid>
		<description>Further to L - certainly everyone has a right to speak; and the more speech and non-violent demonstrations rather than the other type, the better.  How credible what is said really depends however, on the context of what is said.  Credibility comes from speaking up based on principles rather than on special interest.

http://www.saag.org/%5Cpapers17%5Cpaper1699.html
is worth reading w.r.t. this last point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to L - certainly everyone has a right to speak; and the more speech and non-violent demonstrations rather than the other type, the better.  How credible what is said really depends however, on the context of what is said.  Credibility comes from speaking up based on principles rather than on special interest.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.saag.org/%5Cpapers17%5Cpaper1699.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.saag.org/%5Cpapers17%5Cpaper1699.html</a><br />
is worth reading w.r.t. this last point.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11920</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11920</guid>
		<description>In response to L (#57) I believe that most of the protests outside Denmark were orchestrated months after the fact by governments and non-governmental groups, that have no real standing with respect to human rights or respect for religion, because they have no respect for these in their daily operations.

#58, Amitabha, I find the following book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185640000X/002-8216153-7489621?v=glance&#38;n=283155
Distorted Imagination: Lessons from the Rushdie Affair
by Ziauddin Sardar
# Hardcover: 303 pages
# Publisher: Grey Seal (January 1, 1990)
# Language: English
# ISBN: 185640000X

So is the claim that Ziauddin Sardar had additional writings on the Rushdie Affair that did not find a publisher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to L (#57) I believe that most of the protests outside Denmark were orchestrated months after the fact by governments and non-governmental groups, that have no real standing with respect to human rights or respect for religion, because they have no respect for these in their daily operations.</p>
<p>#58, Amitabha, I find the following book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185640000X/002-8216153-7489621?v=glance&amp;n=283155" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185640000X/002-8216153-7489621?v=glance&amp;n=283155</a><br />
Distorted Imagination: Lessons from the Rushdie Affair<br />
by Ziauddin Sardar<br />
# Hardcover: 303 pages<br />
# Publisher: Grey Seal (January 1, 1990)<br />
# Language: English<br />
# ISBN: 185640000X</p>
<p>So is the claim that Ziauddin Sardar had additional writings on the Rushdie Affair that did not find a publisher?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anti-Nothing</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11919</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/09/cartoons/#comment-11919</guid>
		<description>To contribute my 2 cents worth, I believe that this whole rioting thing shouldn't be taken as an indicator to the behaviour of the whole Islamic nation just as the Abu-Ghraib abuse cases weren't supposed to represent the whole American society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To contribute my 2 cents worth, I believe that this whole rioting thing shouldn&#8217;t be taken as an indicator to the behaviour of the whole Islamic nation just as the Abu-Ghraib abuse cases weren&#8217;t supposed to represent the whole American society.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
