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	<title>Comments on: Risky Business?</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/</link>
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		<title>By: a cornellian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7204</link>
		<dc:creator>a cornellian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7204</guid>
		<description>It seems universities are selling a stamp that says "this guy is indeed educated and we stake our reputation on him being competent" (forgive the gender bias)

There is no way that over a blog you can convey course material better than in person lecturess (i'm partial to learning by listenting) or do a better job than you could get from buying a copy of your favorite text book and working though it. (from the point of view of a current student)

The one issue that was mentioned, not sure if in this context, is intelectual property rights.  If for instance a professor buys some software that comes with source, and then posts detailed information about how it works, this may cause issues.  Could also make a case that intelectual property rights are silly, but</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems universities are selling a stamp that says &#8220;this guy is indeed educated and we stake our reputation on him being competent&#8221; (forgive the gender bias)</p>
<p>There is no way that over a blog you can convey course material better than in person lecturess (i&#8217;m partial to learning by listenting) or do a better job than you could get from buying a copy of your favorite text book and working though it. (from the point of view of a current student)</p>
<p>The one issue that was mentioned, not sure if in this context, is intelectual property rights.  If for instance a professor buys some software that comes with source, and then posts detailed information about how it works, this may cause issues.  Could also make a case that intelectual property rights are silly, but</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7203</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7203</guid>
		<description>I am glad the article ends on a happy note. While I don't have one (a blog) I think physics and science blogs are the best thing since the wheel and pretty soon will be the norm, just like the arxiv is now the norm. Last year I started reading Peter Woit's blog then Lubos M's blog. Then I discovered Jacques Distler's blog and then Sean Carroll's blog. And now this one. Compulsive reading every day. The amount of technical material I feel I have learned and picked up from these blogs is just astounding. Then there are usually links to papers, lectures, seminars, news stories etc. Plus all the non-technical stuff and other interests and hobbies the bloggers have and the travels they do and conferences they attend. You get a real feel for what is going on. Time spent on going through the physics blogsphere is anything but wasted.

Even those times when I don't fully understand the highly technical stuff I can often/usually get the gist of what is going on in some specialised research area or problem and at least get the crux of the technical argument and what people are trying to do. Plus the sometimes very heated arguments and debates back and forth. It is essentially what science is all about and what the internet is really all about. (Although sometimes it could be done a bit less rudely by some people).

I do feel blogs are and will continue to be a very powerful and useful tool in physics and science education. Physicists all over the planet can interact and argue and contribute, anonomously if preferred, no matter where they are. Interested laypersons can also learn a lot too and will realize that scientists do all the stuff other "normal people" do too. That is, we are human. It is also a good way to help break the stereotypical image people out there might still have of "a scientist".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad the article ends on a happy note. While I don&#8217;t have one (a blog) I think physics and science blogs are the best thing since the wheel and pretty soon will be the norm, just like the arxiv is now the norm. Last year I started reading Peter Woit&#8217;s blog then Lubos M&#8217;s blog. Then I discovered Jacques Distler&#8217;s blog and then Sean Carroll&#8217;s blog. And now this one. Compulsive reading every day. The amount of technical material I feel I have learned and picked up from these blogs is just astounding. Then there are usually links to papers, lectures, seminars, news stories etc. Plus all the non-technical stuff and other interests and hobbies the bloggers have and the travels they do and conferences they attend. You get a real feel for what is going on. Time spent on going through the physics blogsphere is anything but wasted.</p>
<p>Even those times when I don&#8217;t fully understand the highly technical stuff I can often/usually get the gist of what is going on in some specialised research area or problem and at least get the crux of the technical argument and what people are trying to do. Plus the sometimes very heated arguments and debates back and forth. It is essentially what science is all about and what the internet is really all about. (Although sometimes it could be done a bit less rudely by some people).</p>
<p>I do feel blogs are and will continue to be a very powerful and useful tool in physics and science education. Physicists all over the planet can interact and argue and contribute, anonomously if preferred, no matter where they are. Interested laypersons can also learn a lot too and will realize that scientists do all the stuff other &#8220;normal people&#8221; do too. That is, we are human. It is also a good way to help break the stereotypical image people out there might still have of &#8220;a scientist&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7202</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7202</guid>
		<description>It will also be interesting to see if these sorts of efforts at "regulations" will be differing for: private versus public institutions; sites that generate greater versus lesser revenue from blogads or donations; academics whose blogs are within or concern their own fields versus those that concern widely different topic threads; bloggers who advocate for political agendas versus ones who attempt to stay neutral and/or solicit diverse views; and so forth.

One could imagine the various conversations that are already going on in the admin buildings between Deans/Presidents/Board members and their corporate/ philanthropic benefactors.  The proverbial cauldron of worms, chum, and snake oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will also be interesting to see if these sorts of efforts at &#8220;regulations&#8221; will be differing for: private versus public institutions; sites that generate greater versus lesser revenue from blogads or donations; academics whose blogs are within or concern their own fields versus those that concern widely different topic threads; bloggers who advocate for political agendas versus ones who attempt to stay neutral and/or solicit diverse views; and so forth.</p>
<p>One could imagine the various conversations that are already going on in the admin buildings between Deans/Presidents/Board members and their corporate/ philanthropic benefactors.  The proverbial cauldron of worms, chum, and snake oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7201</guid>
		<description>I sincerely hope you are more right about this than I am.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope you are more right about this than I am.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7200</guid>
		<description>Hi Elliot,

You say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I don't want to be too cynical here but remember, Institutions of Higher Learning are "in the business" of selling information for a price.

From a business perspective, the fact that people can get via a blog or via the internet, information that they previously would have to pay tuition for, could be perceived as extremely threatening.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I say:

I don't agree that is what universities are in the business of doing, and I don't think that most university administrators think that either. Information is not the same as an education. I write papers. They are published. Nobody at the university stops me from doing that because I am not asking for money for it. I give public talks. Same thing. I have course materials on the web. Same thing. Several professors have course materials on the web which have arbitrary levels of detail. (You can even dowload podcasts and video podcasts of lectures from some university websites such as USC -for some (not all, I admit) materials).

Universities are there to serve the community too. Most of the information we generate is put out there in the public domain.

A blog need be no different. When people realise that a blog is also a way of organising stuff on your own desktop, or within a group of people working together on the same thing and carrying out a conversation,   then it will sit right there alongside the telephone.

As for your prediction...I think that you're right.. people will make up rules... if we work fast, we can sit at the table and participate when those rules are being made.

Cheers,


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elliot,</p>
<p>You say:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I don&#8217;t want to be too cynical here but remember, Institutions of Higher Learning are &#8220;in the business&#8221; of selling information for a price.</p>
<p>From a business perspective, the fact that people can get via a blog or via the internet, information that they previously would have to pay tuition for, could be perceived as extremely threatening.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I say:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that is what universities are in the business of doing, and I don&#8217;t think that most university administrators think that either. Information is not the same as an education. I write papers. They are published. Nobody at the university stops me from doing that because I am not asking for money for it. I give public talks. Same thing. I have course materials on the web. Same thing. Several professors have course materials on the web which have arbitrary levels of detail. (You can even dowload podcasts and video podcasts of lectures from some university websites such as USC -for some (not all, I admit) materials).</p>
<p>Universities are there to serve the community too. Most of the information we generate is put out there in the public domain.</p>
<p>A blog need be no different. When people realise that a blog is also a way of organising stuff on your own desktop, or within a group of people working together on the same thing and carrying out a conversation,   then it will sit right there alongside the telephone.</p>
<p>As for your prediction&#8230;I think that you&#8217;re right.. people will make up rules&#8230; if we work fast, we can sit at the table and participate when those rules are being made.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7199</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/18/risky-business/#comment-7199</guid>
		<description>I don't want to be too cynical here but remember, Institutions of Higher Learning are "in the business" of selling information for a price.

From a business perspective, the fact that people can get via a blog or via the internet, information that they previously would have to pay tuition for, could be perceived as extremely threatening.

The complete transparency of the Web is as much of a potential threat to Academia as peer to peer networking is to the music industry.

I am going to predict that these institutions will in the near future develop "guidelines" for academic blogging. Some of it (protecting institutionally sponsored intellectual property assets) may seem to make sense but it will be utilized to place some clear limitations on this type of activity. Academics will be required to agree to the guidelines or risk loss of job or denial of tenure.

Like I said I don't want to be too cynical about this but I want to be naive either.

I guess we'll see.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to be too cynical here but remember, Institutions of Higher Learning are &#8220;in the business&#8221; of selling information for a price.</p>
<p>From a business perspective, the fact that people can get via a blog or via the internet, information that they previously would have to pay tuition for, could be perceived as extremely threatening.</p>
<p>The complete transparency of the Web is as much of a potential threat to Academia as peer to peer networking is to the music industry.</p>
<p>I am going to predict that these institutions will in the near future develop &#8220;guidelines&#8221; for academic blogging. Some of it (protecting institutionally sponsored intellectual property assets) may seem to make sense but it will be utilized to place some clear limitations on this type of activity. Academics will be required to agree to the guidelines or risk loss of job or denial of tenure.</p>
<p>Like I said I don&#8217;t want to be too cynical about this but I want to be naive either.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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