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		<title>By: Cosmic Variance: Physics, postmodernism, and Richard Rorty &#171; Identity Unknown</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-285430</link>
		<dc:creator>Cosmic Variance: Physics, postmodernism, and Richard Rorty &#171; Identity Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pin down; while he was most closely identified with the American pragmatist tradition of Dewey and Peirce, he was trained as a hard-core analytic philosopher, and later became heavily influenced both by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Rorty &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-284188</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rorty &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pin down; while he was most closely identified with the American pragmatist tradition of Dewey and Peirce, he was trained as a hard-core analytic philosopher, and later became heavily influenced both by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3467</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Conformal maps of the Earth are a great introduction to complex analysis. If you identify the Earth with the Riemann sphere, then the Mercator map is exp(i*z), while the quincuncial projection is a Weierstrass elliptic function. Or you could view it as a 2-to-1 conformal projection from a torus to a sphere with four ramified points. I imagine that it is relevant to one-loop calculations in string theory in that guise.&lt;/i&gt;

While I like to &lt;a href="http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/gallery/animations/ggm01/ggm01-200.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;see this movement&lt;/a&gt;, I wanted to develope it into a  &lt;a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/09/cft-and-tomato-soup-can.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;modern view&lt;/a&gt;.

Not only this, but how perception is dependant when seeing tessellations. Sort of like using a line of a shadow or light, depending on your point of view to support the line?:)

What mathematics would describe this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Conformal maps of the Earth are a great introduction to complex analysis. If you identify the Earth with the Riemann sphere, then the Mercator map is exp(i*z), while the quincuncial projection is a Weierstrass elliptic function. Or you could view it as a 2-to-1 conformal projection from a torus to a sphere with four ramified points. I imagine that it is relevant to one-loop calculations in string theory in that guise.</i></p>
<p>While I like to <a href="http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/gallery/animations/ggm01/ggm01-200.gif" rel="nofollow">see this movement</a>, I wanted to develope it into a  <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/09/cft-and-tomato-soup-can.html" rel="nofollow">modern view</a>.</p>
<p>Not only this, but how perception is dependant when seeing tessellations. Sort of like using a line of a shadow or light, depending on your point of view to support the line?:)</p>
<p>What mathematics would describe this?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3458</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Kuperberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conformal maps of the Earth are a great introduction to complex analysis.  If you identify the Earth with the Riemann sphere, then the Mercator map is exp(i*z), while the quincuncial projection is a Weierstrass elliptic function.  Or you could view it as a 2-to-1 conformal projection from a torus to a sphere with four ramified points.  I imagine that it is relevant to one-loop calculations in string theory in that guise.

It would be fun to use a modular form to make an Escher-like repeating conformal map of the earth in the hyperbolic plane.   Escher himself veered towards similar possibilities.  In addition to the famous hyperbolic tiling, Circle Limit IV or "Angels and Devils", he used the same angels and devils to tile the sphere, as a wood carving.   The real starting point is a smaller sphere tiled by one angel and one devil, with both of the Escher works as branched conformal lifts.   (Indeed if you look carefully, the angels and devils are both just decorated triangles, rendering angels and devils equivalent to each other by reflection.  So you could start with a disk with three marked points for the two wingtips and the joined feet of either creature.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conformal maps of the Earth are a great introduction to complex analysis.  If you identify the Earth with the Riemann sphere, then the Mercator map is exp(i*z), while the quincuncial projection is a Weierstrass elliptic function.  Or you could view it as a 2-to-1 conformal projection from a torus to a sphere with four ramified points.  I imagine that it is relevant to one-loop calculations in string theory in that guise.</p>
<p>It would be fun to use a modular form to make an Escher-like repeating conformal map of the earth in the hyperbolic plane.   Escher himself veered towards similar possibilities.  In addition to the famous hyperbolic tiling, Circle Limit IV or &#8220;Angels and Devils&#8221;, he used the same angels and devils to tile the sphere, as a wood carving.   The real starting point is a smaller sphere tiled by one angel and one devil, with both of the Escher works as branched conformal lifts.   (Indeed if you look carefully, the angels and devils are both just decorated triangles, rendering angels and devils equivalent to each other by reflection.  So you could start with a disk with three marked points for the two wingtips and the joined feet of either creature.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3448</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AKAIK, every islamic map has the south in the top. I am in doubt about islamic globes. Are they inverted when shown in museums? A related issue is constelation naming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKAIK, every islamic map has the south in the top. I am in doubt about islamic globes. Are they inverted when shown in museums? A related issue is constelation naming.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People I know who are Peirce scholars don't like Menand's book.  I think it was less free love than wanting a divorce in a society that didn't condone such things.  It also led to pretty much the end of his formal academic career.

But he definitely is an amazing philosopher.  There's a &lt;a href="http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/aboutcsp/aboutcsp.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;scholarly site&lt;/a&gt; for papers on him that has many of his main papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People I know who are Peirce scholars don&#8217;t like Menand&#8217;s book.  I think it was less free love than wanting a divorce in a society that didn&#8217;t condone such things.  It also led to pretty much the end of his formal academic career.</p>
<p>But he definitely is an amazing philosopher.  There&#8217;s a <a href="http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/aboutcsp/aboutcsp.htm" rel="nofollow">scholarly site</a> for papers on him that has many of his main papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equal-area projections are good for countering Northern Hemisphere ethnocentrism, but there are better ones out there than the Peters, such as the &lt;a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjPCyl/projPCyl.html#Mollweide" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mollweide&lt;/a&gt; or this particularly nice &lt;a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjPCyl/projPCyl.html#FlatPolarQuartic" rel="nofollow"&gt;flat polar quartic&lt;/a&gt; one, or the &lt;a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjInt/ProjIntC/projIntC.html#InterruptedMollweide" rel="nofollow"&gt;interrupted equal-area&lt;/a&gt; projections.  They're often used for statistical maps where equal area is particularly important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equal-area projections are good for countering Northern Hemisphere ethnocentrism, but there are better ones out there than the Peters, such as the <a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjPCyl/projPCyl.html#Mollweide" rel="nofollow">Mollweide</a> or this particularly nice <a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjPCyl/projPCyl.html#FlatPolarQuartic" rel="nofollow">flat polar quartic</a> one, or the <a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjInt/ProjIntC/projIntC.html#InterruptedMollweide" rel="nofollow">interrupted equal-area</a> projections.  They&#8217;re often used for statistical maps where equal area is particularly important.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I misspoke and/or was not clear. Sorry.  I meant that it was not the issue that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; was emphasizing in my previous comments concerning liking equal area (despite its shortcomings). I did not mean to imply that "rediscovery" of an idea is not an issue in general.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I misspoke and/or was not clear. Sorry.  I meant that it was not the issue that <em>I</em> was emphasizing in my previous comments concerning liking equal area (despite its shortcomings). I did not mean to imply that &#8220;rediscovery&#8221; of an idea is not an issue in general.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3410</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the fact that Peters gained notoriety for his maps by emphasizing political concerns and ignoring centuries of cartographical research is &lt;em&gt;an&lt;/em&gt; issue, and an interesting one.  There are lots of equal-area projections out there, going back quite some time.  

My personal preference is not for strict equal-area projections, since they distort shapes so badly.  Better to compromise between shape/size issues, as Peirce's map does pretty well.

As Wolfgang points out, putting the &lt;a href="http://www.flourish.org/upsidedownmap/" rel="nofollow"&gt;South Pole at the top&lt;/a&gt; makes an interesting political statement.  Although you still have to defend your equatorial-centrism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the fact that Peters gained notoriety for his maps by emphasizing political concerns and ignoring centuries of cartographical research is <em>an</em> issue, and an interesting one.  There are lots of equal-area projections out there, going back quite some time.  </p>
<p>My personal preference is not for strict equal-area projections, since they distort shapes so badly.  Better to compromise between shape/size issues, as Peirce&#8217;s map does pretty well.</p>
<p>As Wolfgang points out, putting the <a href="http://www.flourish.org/upsidedownmap/" rel="nofollow">South Pole at the top</a> makes an interesting political statement.  Although you still have to defend your equatorial-centrism.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3407</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, the  issue here is not who thought of it first, or whether Peters was a charlatan or not.... The issue is the idea of emphasizing the area over other political concerns. There will always be distortions, right? You have to make some sacrifices. So whether you call it Peters or Gall, or Rumpelstiltskin's projection, there are some merits to choosing to emphasise area over other things. I for one like to be reminded that North America and Western Europe are not quite as huge and important as they think they are....

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, the  issue here is not who thought of it first, or whether Peters was a charlatan or not&#8230;. The issue is the idea of emphasizing the area over other political concerns. There will always be distortions, right? You have to make some sacrifices. So whether you call it Peters or Gall, or Rumpelstiltskin&#8217;s projection, there are some merits to choosing to emphasise area over other things. I for one like to be reminded that North America and Western Europe are not quite as huge and important as they think they are&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3405</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...By the way, the Mercator projection has lately made a resurgence at Google Maps!  For all its faults, it's actually about the best you can do for that specific purpose, since it's the only map that both (1) is conformal (that is, locally shape- and angle-preserving, so that magnified views of it won't look squashed), and (2) always has north pointing the same direction.

To do better, you have to abandon flatland and go to Google Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;By the way, the Mercator projection has lately made a resurgence at Google Maps!  For all its faults, it&#8217;s actually about the best you can do for that specific purpose, since it&#8217;s the only map that both (1) is conformal (that is, locally shape- and angle-preserving, so that magnified views of it won&#8217;t look squashed), and (2) always has north pointing the same direction.</p>
<p>To do better, you have to abandon flatland and go to Google Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3404</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the site says, while the goal of using an equal-area projection is entirely laudable, the &lt;a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjCyl/ProjCEA/projCEA.html#GallPeters" rel="nofollow"&gt;Peters projection is a bit of a sham&lt;/a&gt;.  Peters ignored centuries of existing work on equal-area map projections, and independently rediscovered an old projection by Gall that is not used much because it induces so much shape distortion; he then successfully managed to sell it to educators and activists by using politically loaded rhetoric, implying that he'd discovered the only egalitarian projection.

The Mercator projection, which makes Greenland bigger than Africa, was Peters' great strawman, and at the time, it really was used occasionally for wall world maps in education, though it was already fading from fashion.  The Mercator is terrible for that purpose.  But there are lots of projections that are better for world maps than the Mercator.  For that matter, Peirce's quincuncial projection doesn't distort relative sizes that much, though it's not equal-area.

And now for some cranky unsupported speculation of my own: I think the Peters map's sales pitch works in part because we are social bipeds, and associate *height* with "bigness".  While it represents areas accurately, the Gall-Peters makes tropical countries look relatively bigger even than they are, by stretching them vertically so they look tall.  That gives a sort of shock of the new: look how huge Africa is!  But if you turn the map sideways, suddenly Eurasia looks huge again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the site says, while the goal of using an equal-area projection is entirely laudable, the <a href="http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjCyl/ProjCEA/projCEA.html#GallPeters" rel="nofollow">Peters projection is a bit of a sham</a>.  Peters ignored centuries of existing work on equal-area map projections, and independently rediscovered an old projection by Gall that is not used much because it induces so much shape distortion; he then successfully managed to sell it to educators and activists by using politically loaded rhetoric, implying that he&#8217;d discovered the only egalitarian projection.</p>
<p>The Mercator projection, which makes Greenland bigger than Africa, was Peters&#8217; great strawman, and at the time, it really was used occasionally for wall world maps in education, though it was already fading from fashion.  The Mercator is terrible for that purpose.  But there are lots of projections that are better for world maps than the Mercator.  For that matter, Peirce&#8217;s quincuncial projection doesn&#8217;t distort relative sizes that much, though it&#8217;s not equal-area.</p>
<p>And now for some cranky unsupported speculation of my own: I think the Peters map&#8217;s sales pitch works in part because we are social bipeds, and associate *height* with &#8220;bigness&#8221;.  While it represents areas accurately, the Gall-Peters makes tropical countries look relatively bigger even than they are, by stretching them vertically so they look tall.  That gives a sort of shock of the new: look how huge Africa is!  But if you turn the map sideways, suddenly Eurasia looks huge again.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfgang</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3383</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you click on my name you will find two links to  "universally corrected" maps of our globe. (hint: Australians see the world differently...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you click on my name you will find two links to  &#8220;universally corrected&#8221; maps of our globe. (hint: Australians see the world differently&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Sean,
your two MIT talks were totally written in my calendar, but alas, I've been mega stressed with my own talk to give (mandatory super-group meetings; not nearly as exciting as your talks) and other work. Aaargh! I hope you enjoyed your time at MIT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Sean,<br />
your two MIT talks were totally written in my calendar, but alas, I&#8217;ve been mega stressed with my own talk to give (mandatory super-group meetings; not nearly as exciting as your talks) and other work. Aaargh! I hope you enjoyed your time at MIT.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;CSP got into lots of trouble for being more into free love than was standard for the time (I think cohabiting without marriage?)&lt;/i&gt;

This and many other interesting things are in Louis Menand's book &lt;i&gt;The Metaphysical Club&lt;/i&gt;. I recommend it highly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>CSP got into lots of trouble for being more into free love than was standard for the time (I think cohabiting without marriage?)</i></p>
<p>This and many other interesting things are in Louis Menand&#8217;s book <i>The Metaphysical Club</i>. I recommend it highly.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3367</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty funny, citrine...  it reminds me... someone once asked a friend of mine whether Jews celebrate Halloween.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty funny, citrine&#8230;  it reminds me&#8230; someone once asked a friend of mine whether Jews celebrate Halloween.</p>
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		<title>By: ljs</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3364</link>
		<dc:creator>ljs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOTALLY agree with citrine on US kids being so ignorant in geography.  How about what is the capital of their own state for starts!!</description>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a long poem about CSP by Susan Howe; when she came to give a reading, she also showed some of his weird "logical diagrams" which kind of look like Feynman diagrams on cocaine.

CSP got into lots of trouble for being more into free love than was standard for the time (I think cohabiting without marriage?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a long poem about CSP by Susan Howe; when she came to give a reading, she also showed some of his weird &#8220;logical diagrams&#8221; which kind of look like Feynman diagrams on cocaine.</p>
<p>CSP got into lots of trouble for being more into free love than was standard for the time (I think cohabiting without marriage?)</p>
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		<title>By: Risa</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/13/pragmatic-quincuncial-cartography/#comment-3348</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool map! 

Now if we can only find a way to get the majority of kids (and some adults, too) in the USA to find their country on *some* world map.

This is slightly off topic, but I can't resist bringing it up. I grew up in a S.Asian nation and came here as an undergrad. I have gotten the following questions/ comments from people I've met in the USA:

* "I didn't know there were pianos in that part of the world" (after hearing me play a Mozart sonata). This was from a Physics instructor.

* "Are there brown skinned Christians?"

* "Are there eggs in your country?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool map! </p>
<p>Now if we can only find a way to get the majority of kids (and some adults, too) in the USA to find their country on *some* world map.</p>
<p>This is slightly off topic, but I can&#8217;t resist bringing it up. I grew up in a S.Asian nation and came here as an undergrad. I have gotten the following questions/ comments from people I&#8217;ve met in the USA:</p>
<p>* &#8220;I didn&#8217;t know there were pianos in that part of the world&#8221; (after hearing me play a Mozart sonata). This was from a Physics instructor.</p>
<p>* &#8220;Are there brown skinned Christians?&#8221;</p>
<p>* &#8220;Are there eggs in your country?&#8221;</p>
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