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		<title>By: Big Ears &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-27350</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Ears &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 00:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was put in mind of it last week when I popped over to London to play the role of uncle,  wander  the streets for a bit, do a bit of sightseeing, and hemorrhage a bit of money. I was all prepared to be annoyed by the Guardian, which was once my favourite newspapers, since I had not seen it very often since they (lamentably) made major modifications to the format. As it turned out, I did not get annoyed too much, although I would prefer it if they took it back to the correct size for a respectable newspaper. It still has a lot of news and good writing in it, and I am led to understand that the huge amount of football-related stuff in it is a passing phase because there is some sort of contest going on in Germany of some relevance. (Um&#8230; that would be &#8220;soccer&#8221;, you folks over on the extreme left hand side with the funny shaped ball.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was put in mind of it last week when I popped over to London to play the role of uncle,  wander  the streets for a bit, do a bit of sightseeing, and hemorrhage a bit of money. I was all prepared to be annoyed by the Guardian, which was once my favourite newspapers, since I had not seen it very often since they (lamentably) made major modifications to the format. As it turned out, I did not get annoyed too much, although I would prefer it if they took it back to the correct size for a respectable newspaper. It still has a lot of news and good writing in it, and I am led to understand that the huge amount of football-related stuff in it is a passing phase because there is some sort of contest going on in Germany of some relevance. (Um&#8230; that would be &#8220;soccer&#8221;, you folks over on the extreme left hand side with the funny shaped ball.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How Much?! &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-25029</link>
		<dc:creator>How Much?! &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, went on part one of my Journey Around My People: shopping in Central London. Was not looking for anything in particular, but although I know it is true from past experience, it never ceases to amaze me how much stuff costs here. Have all the salaries gone up by about 30% since I left? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;have they? For starters, the Guardian, which as you recall since last year has been seriously modified from its perfectly-fine format (yes, I ranted about it), costs 0.70p during the weekday! And the Saturday edition today was Â£1.30!! I&#8217;ve no idea how much the Sunday paper will cost&#8230;.. are they just going to ask for a gallon of my blood, perhaps? (People in the USA&#8230;.just multiply by roughly two to get the after-tax dollars and cents.) Do you get more for this extra money? More sport (everywhere&#8230; bl**dy football, and gossip about footballers and football managers and football club owners and footballer&#8217;s wives - this is supposedly real news) and really huge colour pictures. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, went on part one of my Journey Around My People: shopping in Central London. Was not looking for anything in particular, but although I know it is true from past experience, it never ceases to amaze me how much stuff costs here. Have all the salaries gone up by about 30% since I left? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;have they? For starters, the Guardian, which as you recall since last year has been seriously modified from its perfectly-fine format (yes, I ranted about it), costs 0.70p during the weekday! And the Saturday edition today was Â£1.30!! I&#8217;ve no idea how much the Sunday paper will cost&#8230;.. are they just going to ask for a gallon of my blood, perhaps? (People in the USA&#8230;.just multiply by roughly two to get the after-tax dollars and cents.) Do you get more for this extra money? More sport (everywhere&#8230; bl**dy football, and gossip about footballers and football managers and football club owners and footballer&#8217;s wives - this is supposedly real news) and really huge colour pictures. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3409</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart. they seem to be more concerned wiht reproducing the success of the Independent and the Times in terms of increased morning commute readership. It is believed that the smaller paper size makes it preferable to read on the tube. (Because  kids today no longer take pleasure in learning how to read a proper-sized newspaper, the snob side of me says...see my comment number 11)....

Anyway, it seems to have little to do with saving money, but economic pressures from elsewhere.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart. they seem to be more concerned wiht reproducing the success of the Independent and the Times in terms of increased morning commute readership. It is believed that the smaller paper size makes it preferable to read on the tube. (Because  kids today no longer take pleasure in learning how to read a proper-sized newspaper, the snob side of me says&#8230;see my comment number 11)&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, it seems to have little to do with saving money, but economic pressures from elsewhere.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3381</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not really bothered about the size. I only bought the Guardian for the Life/Online section on a Thursday, as I don't have the time or money to get it and read it everyday. Now that the Life section has gone (will Bad Science remain?), I don't see much reason to buy the Guardian again. I'll stick to the (free) online version from now on, although I preferred it on paper.

How much money, in terms of newsprint costs, will the size reduction save for the publishers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really bothered about the size. I only bought the Guardian for the Life/Online section on a Thursday, as I don&#8217;t have the time or money to get it and read it everyday. Now that the Life section has gone (will Bad Science remain?), I don&#8217;t see much reason to buy the Guardian again. I&#8217;ll stick to the (free) online version from now on, although I preferred it on paper.</p>
<p>How much money, in terms of newsprint costs, will the size reduction save for the publishers?</p>
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		<title>By: boreds</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3290</link>
		<dc:creator>boreds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the new format. There's certainly a lot more room on the page than the Indy or the Times. 

In terms of content, not much to go on so far---but the Behe interview was pretty shocking. Let's hope it's not representative of what's to come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the new format. There&#8217;s certainly a lot more room on the page than the Indy or the Times. </p>
<p>In terms of content, not much to go on so far&#8212;but the Behe interview was pretty shocking. Let&#8217;s hope it&#8217;s not representative of what&#8217;s to come!</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3269</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: Seems that the Guardian editors have a &lt;a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;. You can read all sorts of things about their progress through the launch day there, look at pictures of them all down at the pub, and browse the new format paper electronically from &lt;a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/13/a_new_day_a_new_paper.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Seems that the Guardian editors have a <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>. You can read all sorts of things about their progress through the launch day there, look at pictures of them all down at the pub, and browse the new format paper electronically from <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/13/a_new_day_a_new_paper.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Fzplus</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3239</link>
		<dc:creator>Fzplus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I've had a look at it, and I've got mixed feelings...

Format is good. Convenient, and much better than the teaser suggested. Nice that they kept the newspapery texture that was so terrifyingly missing from the teaser. But currently, I'm aghast at what they've done to the science bit.

"Ideas"? What the hell? An interview (and a pretty soft, uncritical and unconfrontational one) with &lt;i&gt;Michael Behe&lt;/i&gt;? (&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;See here...&lt;/a&gt;) Has there been a coup?

They'd better have a rebuttal soon, because I am very worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve had a look at it, and I&#8217;ve got mixed feelings&#8230;</p>
<p>Format is good. Convenient, and much better than the teaser suggested. Nice that they kept the newspapery texture that was so terrifyingly missing from the teaser. But currently, I&#8217;m aghast at what they&#8217;ve done to the science bit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ideas&#8221;? What the hell? An interview (and a pretty soft, uncritical and unconfrontational one) with <i>Michael Behe</i>? (<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html" rel="nofollow">See here&#8230;</a>) Has there been a coup?</p>
<p>They&#8217;d better have a rebuttal soon, because I am very worried.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3233</link>
		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with &lt;i&gt;Every single way you look at it, we are changing everything we do and how we do it&lt;/i&gt; is that, presumably, &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; also includes all the good things, and &lt;i&gt;how we do it&lt;/i&gt; includes how they do well what they already do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with <i>Every single way you look at it, we are changing everything we do and how we do it</i> is that, presumably, <i>everything</i> also includes all the good things, and <i>how we do it</i> includes how they do well what they already do well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3226</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so torn by this. A regular Gaurdian reader, I obivously know that it is left leaning, and so potentially biased. But that's its selling point, and it must not be dumbed down. I'm sure that won't happen but this tendancy to follow the crowd is worrying. However, I am of small stature and rely on a table and/or various folding tricks when tackling the paper. So the smaller size will be much more convenient!

I am more upset by the loss of 'Life' - the science section. I always look forward to it and every week there's plenty worth reading in it. Fingers crossed for this every day science page - this could be better or worse. I really want to see more (good) science reporting in the media. And making it an everyday thing might be the way to go..... will  Ben Goldacre still have a column? Lets hope so.
K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so torn by this. A regular Gaurdian reader, I obivously know that it is left leaning, and so potentially biased. But that&#8217;s its selling point, and it must not be dumbed down. I&#8217;m sure that won&#8217;t happen but this tendancy to follow the crowd is worrying. However, I am of small stature and rely on a table and/or various folding tricks when tackling the paper. So the smaller size will be much more convenient!</p>
<p>I am more upset by the loss of &#8216;Life&#8217; - the science section. I always look forward to it and every week there&#8217;s plenty worth reading in it. Fingers crossed for this every day science page - this could be better or worse. I really want to see more (good) science reporting in the media. And making it an everyday thing might be the way to go&#8230;.. will  Ben Goldacre still have a column? Lets hope so.<br />
K</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and detailed chatter about the new format by the editor can be found &lt;a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/article/080905/rushbridger_why_i_did" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.


Neil Mc: I learned that the Berliner format is 9 cm longer and 1 cm wider than a tabloid..... Hmmm. Still not sure about all  of this... I'm worried it will all end in tears.

Cheers.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and detailed chatter about the new format by the editor can be found <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/article/080905/rushbridger_why_i_did" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Neil Mc: I learned that the Berliner format is 9 cm longer and 1 cm wider than a tabloid&#8230;.. Hmmm. Still not sure about all  of this&#8230; I&#8217;m worried it will all end in tears.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Mc</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erc - we've no hard and fast rule on the number of sentences per paragraph. But the habit is to break things up because, on a screen, it makes it easier to read. 

Improvements in the way text is displayed, however, might make that habit redundant over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erc - we&#8217;ve no hard and fast rule on the number of sentences per paragraph. But the habit is to break things up because, on a screen, it makes it easier to read. </p>
<p>Improvements in the way text is displayed, however, might make that habit redundant over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3193</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Customers in the UK don't revolt. They largely do as they are told, and just complain in secret. To ask for what you want would be rude.... ;-)

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Customers in the UK don&#8217;t revolt. They largely do as they are told, and just complain in secret. To ask for what you want would be rude&#8230;. <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WSJ has indeed not embraced the modern enthusiasm for photographs.

I don't advocate changing things because we can, but I do think that this change makes sense. One imagines that if the customers revolt, of course, they'll reverse the decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ has indeed not embraced the modern enthusiasm for photographs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t advocate changing things because we can, but I do think that this change makes sense. One imagines that if the customers revolt, of course, they&#8217;ll reverse the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3191</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, Bingomaster:

I read the paper on the London Tube every day for years. I think that one of the rites of passage  in making the journey from adolescent to adulthood is the mastery of reading a broadsheet. I remember the thrill of figuring out how to do the appropriate rapid folding tricks in a confined space, sometimes while holding on to something to keep your balance, and managing to read every part of the paper you desired to. It is going to be anther great lost skill, the practice of which gives great pleasure.

I love the little line drawings in the WSJ, Adam (or is the the FT? or both). Imagine how that paper would lose an aspect of its character if they just replaced those with colour photos.

The point is that we should not neccessarily do things (and do away with things) just because we can.

Bingomaster: Sadly, I do not read German. And I've nothing against photos; I just don't care to confuse a newspaper with a photo journal/magazine. The two are different.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, Bingomaster:</p>
<p>I read the paper on the London Tube every day for years. I think that one of the rites of passage  in making the journey from adolescent to adulthood is the mastery of reading a broadsheet. I remember the thrill of figuring out how to do the appropriate rapid folding tricks in a confined space, sometimes while holding on to something to keep your balance, and managing to read every part of the paper you desired to. It is going to be anther great lost skill, the practice of which gives great pleasure.</p>
<p>I love the little line drawings in the WSJ, Adam (or is the the FT? or both). Imagine how that paper would lose an aspect of its character if they just replaced those with colour photos.</p>
<p>The point is that we should not neccessarily do things (and do away with things) just because we can.</p>
<p>Bingomaster: Sadly, I do not read German. And I&#8217;ve nothing against photos; I just don&#8217;t care to confuse a newspaper with a photo journal/magazine. The two are different.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Bingomaster</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3190</link>
		<dc:creator>Bingomaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

Broadsheet papers are great when you have the time in the morning to read it on your breakfast table, but try to read one on the London Tube in rush hour. It's a very difficult feat, one that not many people can master: folding the pages into two as you read them, changing pages when you have people's faces right next to your elbows are all highly demanding of manual dexterity. 

The Indy realised that it could get a large part of the morning market by making their paper smaller and they were right, which is why everyone is following.

If you want a really traditional newspaper, I suggest you try the Zuercher Zeitung or one of the many German-language papers which still refuse to print photographs, because they would impact the quality of the journalism. I say small is beautiful and convenient. And the fact that the British press is going to the dogs, has nothing to do with the size, it's all to do with giving people what they want to read. And that alas, is a different matter completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>Broadsheet papers are great when you have the time in the morning to read it on your breakfast table, but try to read one on the London Tube in rush hour. It&#8217;s a very difficult feat, one that not many people can master: folding the pages into two as you read them, changing pages when you have people&#8217;s faces right next to your elbows are all highly demanding of manual dexterity. </p>
<p>The Indy realised that it could get a large part of the morning market by making their paper smaller and they were right, which is why everyone is following.</p>
<p>If you want a really traditional newspaper, I suggest you try the Zuercher Zeitung or one of the many German-language papers which still refuse to print photographs, because they would impact the quality of the journalism. I say small is beautiful and convenient. And the fact that the British press is going to the dogs, has nothing to do with the size, it&#8217;s all to do with giving people what they want to read. And that alas, is a different matter completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinko bleeding-heart newspaper for softies it may be, but I've always admired the Guardian for being prepared to admit its mistakes, resulting in an undeserved reputation for making more mistakes than the other less honest newspapers.

I'm not so bothered about the size of it, though; the broadsheets are near impossible to read on public transport because of their size, so the question might more be 'why didn't they all change size years ago?'

I won't complain if the WSJ and NYT (the papers I tend to read over here) go to a more sensible size, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinko bleeding-heart newspaper for softies it may be, but I&#8217;ve always admired the Guardian for being prepared to admit its mistakes, resulting in an undeserved reputation for making more mistakes than the other less honest newspapers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so bothered about the size of it, though; the broadsheets are near impossible to read on public transport because of their size, so the question might more be &#8216;why didn&#8217;t they all change size years ago?&#8217;</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t complain if the WSJ and NYT (the papers I tend to read over here) go to a more sensible size, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3186</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.... I think I have at least three copies of the Guardian in the mail to me now! Thanks a lot everyone, that'll do! ... :-)

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;. I think I have at least three copies of the Guardian in the mail to me now! Thanks a lot everyone, that&#8217;ll do! &#8230; <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: damtp dweller</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3183</link>
		<dc:creator>damtp dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit! Had I read your post earlier today I would gladly have bought you a copy and mailed it to you (including all the guff that comes shrink-wrapped with the paper on Saturday). I'll see if my local shop has one later on.

The downsizing of papers is a terrible phenomenon on this side of the pond. It seems like all of the broadsheets in the UK and Ireland have either switched already or are going to switch soon. It's terrible because one of their more practical uses was to shield one's face on the tube.

I doubt that the change to Berliner format will be a surprise to anyone who reads the Guardian regularly. The increasing importance of the G2 section and the other supplements over the past few years seems to indicate that this once-great paper has surrendered its claims on journalistic integrity (read clarity) in favour of presenting news in a more condensed format. In fact, the only thing I read the Guardian for these days is their excellent cricket and sports coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnit! Had I read your post earlier today I would gladly have bought you a copy and mailed it to you (including all the guff that comes shrink-wrapped with the paper on Saturday). I&#8217;ll see if my local shop has one later on.</p>
<p>The downsizing of papers is a terrible phenomenon on this side of the pond. It seems like all of the broadsheets in the UK and Ireland have either switched already or are going to switch soon. It&#8217;s terrible because one of their more practical uses was to shield one&#8217;s face on the tube.</p>
<p>I doubt that the change to Berliner format will be a surprise to anyone who reads the Guardian regularly. The increasing importance of the G2 section and the other supplements over the past few years seems to indicate that this once-great paper has surrendered its claims on journalistic integrity (read clarity) in favour of presenting news in a more condensed format. In fact, the only thing I read the Guardian for these days is their excellent cricket and sports coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: erc</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3182</link>
		<dc:creator>erc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil Mc: perhaps you can answer a question of mine regarding online news. Both the Guardian Unlimited website and the BBC news articles typically have line breaks between every sentence; at most there are two sentences per paragraph it seems. Why is this? 

(cvj: check your email!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil Mc: perhaps you can answer a question of mine regarding online news. Both the Guardian Unlimited website and the BBC news articles typically have line breaks between every sentence; at most there are two sentences per paragraph it seems. Why is this? </p>
<p>(cvj: check your email!)</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/09/10/civilization-ends-this-saturday/#comment-3178</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. This is also a concern with a lot of the changes, and why I put in those quotes, and the news about the abandonment of the science section (but there may be positive aspects there; we shall see). Look at the first two quotes for example...I worry that they are too concerned with the look and the format, and that compromises will be made on the content...this already happens with the move to shorter headlines in the tabloid format..... Perhaps the Berliner format will reduce that problem somewhat? 

The broadsheet was a fantastic format for news at a glance, elegant look, and smartly organised content. Now it is gone.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. This is also a concern with a lot of the changes, and why I put in those quotes, and the news about the abandonment of the science section (but there may be positive aspects there; we shall see). Look at the first two quotes for example&#8230;I worry that they are too concerned with the look and the format, and that compromises will be made on the content&#8230;this already happens with the move to shorter headlines in the tabloid format&#8230;.. Perhaps the Berliner format will reduce that problem somewhat? </p>
<p>The broadsheet was a fantastic format for news at a glance, elegant look, and smartly organised content. Now it is gone.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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