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		<title>By: Tales From The Industry, VI &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2768</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales From The Industry, VI &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, you might recall that I am passionate about science outreach, public science education, and helping members of society get truly involved in the democratic process (by being able to make more informed decisions about issues affecting our lives) by being more engaged with science, the scientific process, and scientific issues. A major start in this is for them to get more comfortable with scientists, learning that they are real people, in the real world, just like they are. Break down the fear of the scientist (the one that is portrayed most often in the media now) and maybe the breakdown of the fear of science will follow&#8230;&#8230;. and you&#8217;ve maybe read my many blog posts on this (see here and also follow the trackbacks in the comment stream; also here)&#8230;.. So you might agree with me that one way of advancing these goals is to get more science (and especially portrayals of scientists) in the places where people spend most of their time looking: TV, Cinema, and other media (such as this blog). So I therefore cannot ignore the fact that I&#8217;m at USC and that there is this wonderful training ground of the future leaders in the Industry not many buildings away. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Well, you might recall that I am passionate about science outreach, public science education, and helping members of society get truly involved in the democratic process (by being able to make more informed decisions about issues affecting our lives) by being more engaged with science, the scientific process, and scientific issues. A major start in this is for them to get more comfortable with scientists, learning that they are real people, in the real world, just like they are. Break down the fear of the scientist (the one that is portrayed most often in the media now) and maybe the breakdown of the fear of science will follow&#8230;&#8230;. and you&#8217;ve maybe read my many blog posts on this (see here and also follow the trackbacks in the comment stream; also here)&#8230;.. So you might agree with me that one way of advancing these goals is to get more science (and especially portrayals of scientists) in the places where people spend most of their time looking: TV, Cinema, and other media (such as this blog). So I therefore cannot ignore the fact that I&#8217;m at USC and that there is this wonderful training ground of the future leaders in the Industry not many buildings away. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Three Proposals of Marriage &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2767</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Proposals of Marriage &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2767</guid>
		<description>[...] I then turned and walked away only to be facing my good friend, Los Angeles Theatre scence playwright and colleague from the School of Theatre, Oliver Mayer. I said the same opening sentence to him and again we completed the joke together. We sat, had more wine (it&#8217;s 4:30pm on a weekday, but you don&#8217;t install a new Provost everyday&#8230;..) and I told him about my standard bugbear about which you&#8217;ve heard so many times: Better representation of science, scientists, and the scientific process in the arts and media should be part of the battle of increasing the public&#8217;s awareness and appreciation of science and the crucial role it plays in society, etc&#8230;&#8230; I won&#8217;t repeat myself again (see e.g. here and here, in comments). He caught on immediately, and spoke of the fact that in all the the characters and scenarios he&#8217;s written about, he&#8217;s never explored scientists and science, as it is outside his realm of experience. So I then spoke of my general frustrations about this being the case not just for playwrights, but also for actors, filmmakers, jrounalists, etc. We spoke about speaking more (you know, &#8220;my people will call your people&#8221; -except neither of us are important enough to have &#8220;people&#8221; to call each other-) and we parted. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I then turned and walked away only to be facing my good friend, Los Angeles Theatre scence playwright and colleague from the School of Theatre, Oliver Mayer. I said the same opening sentence to him and again we completed the joke together. We sat, had more wine (it&#8217;s 4:30pm on a weekday, but you don&#8217;t install a new Provost everyday&#8230;..) and I told him about my standard bugbear about which you&#8217;ve heard so many times: Better representation of science, scientists, and the scientific process in the arts and media should be part of the battle of increasing the public&#8217;s awareness and appreciation of science and the crucial role it plays in society, etc&#8230;&#8230; I won&#8217;t repeat myself again (see e.g. here and here, in comments). He caught on immediately, and spoke of the fact that in all the the characters and scenarios he&#8217;s written about, he&#8217;s never explored scientists and science, as it is outside his realm of experience. So I then spoke of my general frustrations about this being the case not just for playwrights, but also for actors, filmmakers, jrounalists, etc. We spoke about speaking more (you know, &#8220;my people will call your people&#8221; -except neither of us are important enough to have &#8220;people&#8221; to call each other-) and we parted. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mad and Bad &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad and Bad &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2766</guid>
		<description>[...] Remember our occasional chats on this blog (e.g. here, and , here, in comments) about portrayals of scientists in the media? Here&#8217;s some more chatter on Pharyngula. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Remember our occasional chats on this blog (e.g. here, and , here, in comments) about portrayals of scientists in the media? Here&#8217;s some more chatter on Pharyngula. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 70s Monster Mash &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2765</link>
		<dc:creator>70s Monster Mash &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2765</guid>
		<description>[...] Hearing about the various projects people were up to, I did have a thought that it would be nice one day if lots of those young hot hopefuls in the room did protrayals of scientists and people doing science as regularly as they played lawyers, cops, and doctors. (More science and scientists in the mainsteam. I keep on about that don&#8217;t I?) Maybe they&#8217;ll all be in a show I help create one day, I thought, as I looked around the room. Then I realised I&#8217;d had too many vodkas at that point, and weakened the next drink by diluting with much more fruit juice&#8230;.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Hearing about the various projects people were up to, I did have a thought that it would be nice one day if lots of those young hot hopefuls in the room did protrayals of scientists and people doing science as regularly as they played lawyers, cops, and doctors. (More science and scientists in the mainsteam. I keep on about that don&#8217;t I?) Maybe they&#8217;ll all be in a show I help create one day, I thought, as I looked around the room. Then I realised I&#8217;d had too many vodkas at that point, and weakened the next drink by diluting with much more fruit juice&#8230;.. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2764</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2764</guid>
		<description>[...] Anyway, I&#8217;ll let you look at the talk and get the details and draw your own conclusions. My own feelings are that it is even more urgent than I previously thought that we get a global realization by our political leaders about the science challenges that lie ahead of us, and the urgency to begin work on them -also globally. How do we get our politicians to listen, to worry about the really long term? They listen to the concerns of the electorate, whose support supplies their real power. How do we get the electorate to realise the urgency of the scientific challenge if the electorate is, relatively speaking (see several other posts, such as this one, on this), scientifically illiterate? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Anyway, I&#8217;ll let you look at the talk and get the details and draw your own conclusions. My own feelings are that it is even more urgent than I previously thought that we get a global realization by our political leaders about the science challenges that lie ahead of us, and the urgency to begin work on them -also globally. How do we get our politicians to listen, to worry about the really long term? They listen to the concerns of the electorate, whose support supplies their real power. How do we get the electorate to realise the urgency of the scientific challenge if the electorate is, relatively speaking (see several other posts, such as this one, on this), scientifically illiterate? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Evidence of Fun &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2763</link>
		<dc:creator>Evidence of Fun &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2763</guid>
		<description>[...] See what I mean? I&#8217;m not saying that it is not an interesting subject, just that (as I&#8217;ve said in several other posts) we need to try to have successful protrayals of scientists as just part of the landscape of regular people. But given that choice of subject (the mental illness of the genius theme), they did a great job. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See what I mean? I&#8217;m not saying that it is not an interesting subject, just that (as I&#8217;ve said in several other posts) we need to try to have successful protrayals of scientists as just part of the landscape of regular people. But given that choice of subject (the mental illness of the genius theme), they did a great job. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Power Dressing &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2762</link>
		<dc:creator>Power Dressing &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2762</guid>
		<description>[...] So there you have it. Flipping back and forth between current and voltage, depending upon who knows what whim? You see, this is what I&#8217;m talking about when I rant on about having somebody in the editorial office know at least a little kindergarten science. It&#8217;s no wonder the general public are confused. Sigh. I did end up ranting about this issue after all. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] So there you have it. Flipping back and forth between current and voltage, depending upon who knows what whim? You see, this is what I&#8217;m talking about when I rant on about having somebody in the editorial office know at least a little kindergarten science. It&#8217;s no wonder the general public are confused. Sigh. I did end up ranting about this issue after all. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Sexing Up Scientists All That Bad? &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2761</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Sexing Up Scientists All That Bad? &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2761</guid>
		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve previously raised discussion (see e.g. here) about the benefits of protrayal of science, scientists, and the scientific process on TV before, in both fictional and non-fictional settings. Sadly, one of the best (and only) examples of a (fiction) show which does that in recent times has been Crime Scene Investigation (CSI), a show about forensic scientists. Now, I&#8217;ve never seen more than about two episodes of this (and those soon after its launch) but apparently it is now very popular indeed. I can&#8217;t help but think that this is potentially positive (for several reasons I&#8217;ve spoken about before), depending upon exactly how the writing is done, etc&#8230; (Others of you can (and no doubt will) comment, having seen it. Please do. I have no opinion since I do not watch it.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;ve previously raised discussion (see e.g. here) about the benefits of protrayal of science, scientists, and the scientific process on TV before, in both fictional and non-fictional settings. Sadly, one of the best (and only) examples of a (fiction) show which does that in recent times has been Crime Scene Investigation (CSI), a show about forensic scientists. Now, I&#8217;ve never seen more than about two episodes of this (and those soon after its launch) but apparently it is now very popular indeed. I can&#8217;t help but think that this is potentially positive (for several reasons I&#8217;ve spoken about before), depending upon exactly how the writing is done, etc&#8230; (Others of you can (and no doubt will) comment, having seen it. Please do. I have no opinion since I do not watch it.) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Polhemus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2760</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Polhemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2760</guid>
		<description>Greg: The colorado physics standards are so vague that they are almost non-existant (paraphrase):

1) Energy can move around and take different forms.
2) Matter and Energy are conserved.

That is &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt;.  There are benchmarks for different grades etc. but nothing about Newton's Laws or E&#38;M.  There is also some space science stuff that nobody teaches.  I don't think I will try to fix them because nobody cares about physics standards.  I'll just work on producing good curriculum and show teachers how to use it.  Maybe we can get physics education out of the 19th century and into the 21st.

Your concern about understanding vs. certification hits pretty close to home.  Spending two years getting my license was the most ridiculous, insulting thing I think I have ever done.  Writing poems about myself, doing skits about education articles out of Newsweek, on and on.  It was a total joke, except for the student teaching, which was great.  I don't know how to change that and the seniority system.  I guess the best place is by showing them what a difference content understanding can make.  Nobody cared about content understanding when I started.  But as teachers have watched me in the classroom that have started to see what is possible, they, and a couple of the department heads, are starting to get it.  We'll see if I can start convincing department heads and principals, then we can get some movement.

Thanks for your thoughts.  Now its time to break for some Bush Bashing!

Gavin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: The colorado physics standards are so vague that they are almost non-existant (paraphrase):</p>
<p>1) Energy can move around and take different forms.<br />
2) Matter and Energy are conserved.</p>
<p>That is <i>it</i>.  There are benchmarks for different grades etc. but nothing about Newton&#8217;s Laws or E&amp;M.  There is also some space science stuff that nobody teaches.  I don&#8217;t think I will try to fix them because nobody cares about physics standards.  I&#8217;ll just work on producing good curriculum and show teachers how to use it.  Maybe we can get physics education out of the 19th century and into the 21st.</p>
<p>Your concern about understanding vs. certification hits pretty close to home.  Spending two years getting my license was the most ridiculous, insulting thing I think I have ever done.  Writing poems about myself, doing skits about education articles out of Newsweek, on and on.  It was a total joke, except for the student teaching, which was great.  I don&#8217;t know how to change that and the seniority system.  I guess the best place is by showing them what a difference content understanding can make.  Nobody cared about content understanding when I started.  But as teachers have watched me in the classroom that have started to see what is possible, they, and a couple of the department heads, are starting to get it.  We&#8217;ll see if I can start convincing department heads and principals, then we can get some movement.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  Now its time to break for some Bush Bashing!</p>
<p>Gavin</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2759</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Kuperberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/the-quest-for-better-science-education/#comment-2759</guid>
		<description>I live in California.  The single biggest positive change here in public education in decades was the Stanford-written &lt;a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/mthmain.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;state math standards&lt;/a&gt;.   I wouldn't vote for Pete Wilson or for most Republicans, but I have to give him credit for pushing this through.  It was, moreover, a highly partisan fight.  I don't even take sides on the larger battle over standards and testing, but on this one the Republicans were right.

In 1996, the state board of education drafted new state standards for math.  There was an uproar, not only from conversatives but also from many fairly apolitical mathematicians.  The draft standards were a triumph of style over substance.  They were, moreover, tied to a specific math curriculum called MathLand.  The education establishment jumped the gun and started adopting MathLand before the standards were approved.  But the opposition prevailed and the governer enlisted some Stanford math professors (because they had been complaining) to write better standards.  They did.   The adopted standards are not only more stringent, they are also clearer, more logical, and ironically more flexible than the draft standards.  It has been personally convenient for us because we have two children in public school.  The standards make it easier for us to know where our children stand with regard to the curriculum.

So the state standards for math and science are an important lever.  Beyond that, the most important reform would be for the schools to seek and reward teachers who understand the material, &lt;i&gt;instead of&lt;/i&gt; smothering that concern with irrelevant certification requirements, with seniority, and with other purely bureaucratic decisions.   I don't know how you can make the necessary changes, but in any case that is what is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in California.  The single biggest positive change here in public education in decades was the Stanford-written <a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/mthmain.asp" rel="nofollow">state math standards</a>.   I wouldn&#8217;t vote for Pete Wilson or for most Republicans, but I have to give him credit for pushing this through.  It was, moreover, a highly partisan fight.  I don&#8217;t even take sides on the larger battle over standards and testing, but on this one the Republicans were right.</p>
<p>In 1996, the state board of education drafted new state standards for math.  There was an uproar, not only from conversatives but also from many fairly apolitical mathematicians.  The draft standards were a triumph of style over substance.  They were, moreover, tied to a specific math curriculum called MathLand.  The education establishment jumped the gun and started adopting MathLand before the standards were approved.  But the opposition prevailed and the governer enlisted some Stanford math professors (because they had been complaining) to write better standards.  They did.   The adopted standards are not only more stringent, they are also clearer, more logical, and ironically more flexible than the draft standards.  It has been personally convenient for us because we have two children in public school.  The standards make it easier for us to know where our children stand with regard to the curriculum.</p>
<p>So the state standards for math and science are an important lever.  Beyond that, the most important reform would be for the schools to seek and reward teachers who understand the material, <i>instead of</i> smothering that concern with irrelevant certification requirements, with seniority, and with other purely bureaucratic decisions.   I don&#8217;t know how you can make the necessary changes, but in any case that is what is needed.</p>
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