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		<title>By: What are the odds? &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-5120</link>
		<dc:creator>What are the odds? &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The paper was the San Mateo County Times (I don&#8217;t subscribe, it is randomly tossed into my driveway) from July 9. And yep, it&#8217;s that article that Risa has mentioned. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The paper was the San Mateo County Times (I don&#8217;t subscribe, it is randomly tossed into my driveway) from July 9. And yep, it&#8217;s that article that Risa has mentioned. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm rather excited about this new group venture by some 'cool'physicists into blogging. (I'm an undergrad w/McKay who laments having read what I did last week about blogging and the workplace. Eeep!).

Anywhoo, just wanted to say hi and welcome to the world of blog.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rather excited about this new group venture by some &#8216;cool&#8217;physicists into blogging. (I&#8217;m an undergrad w/McKay who laments having read what I did last week about blogging and the workplace. Eeep!).</p>
<p>Anywhoo, just wanted to say hi and welcome to the world of blog.  <img src='http://cosmicvariance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Luisf</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Luisf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don't wear hats. They give me aweful "hat-head". 
Most unfortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t wear hats. They give me aweful &#8220;hat-head&#8221;.<br />
Most unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as I told &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; Quantoken, I do not pay an inappropriate amount of attention to the hats people wear, but I do notice if the hat is made of tin foil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as I told <em>you</em> Quantoken, I do not pay an inappropriate amount of attention to the hats people wear, but I do notice if the hat is made of tin foil.</p>
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		<title>By: Quantoken</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Risa said:
"There is a difference between money being involved in what science gets done, which is perhaps disturbing but certainly inevitable, and politicians explicitly
misusing, distorting and suppressing science for political purposes, which should be disturbing no matter ones political perspective."

Risa you are being wrong in suggesting that only the guys with a hat labeled "politician" would play politics, and that the guys with a hat called "scientist" on their head would strictly play in scientific ways.

Nothing could be more wrong than judging people based on &lt;b&gt;the type of hats&lt;/b&gt; they wear, as I told Mark many times. Scientists are pretty good at playing politics and politicians are quite capable of playing science. There plenty of cases of scientists turned politicians, and physicists are the most likely ones to do so. Do you think stuffs like Global Warming Theory are really science, not crackpot, just because it is main stream? A super tzumani happened and some experts jumped out and cry "global warming". It's only because the idea was too obviously silly that it did not spread. However those were ideas suggested by people wearing a hat called "experts" in the field.

Now, money and politics are never separable. If you are trying to tell me that big science can try to use the money, without really having politics involved. It is like saying I can wash my hands without getting my hands wet.

Politics are ALWAYS involved in big money big science. But the influence may not always be negative. By chance some times it pushes it further away from scientific truth and some times it does push closer to scientific truth. In the case of global warmings theory, I think the recent congressional inquiry may actually force scientists to be a little bit more honest, which is good. BTW I am definitely no fan of any Republican of any type.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risa said:<br />
&#8220;There is a difference between money being involved in what science gets done, which is perhaps disturbing but certainly inevitable, and politicians explicitly<br />
misusing, distorting and suppressing science for political purposes, which should be disturbing no matter ones political perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Risa you are being wrong in suggesting that only the guys with a hat labeled &#8220;politician&#8221; would play politics, and that the guys with a hat called &#8220;scientist&#8221; on their head would strictly play in scientific ways.</p>
<p>Nothing could be more wrong than judging people based on <b>the type of hats</b> they wear, as I told Mark many times. Scientists are pretty good at playing politics and politicians are quite capable of playing science. There plenty of cases of scientists turned politicians, and physicists are the most likely ones to do so. Do you think stuffs like Global Warming Theory are really science, not crackpot, just because it is main stream? A super tzumani happened and some experts jumped out and cry &#8220;global warming&#8221;. It&#8217;s only because the idea was too obviously silly that it did not spread. However those were ideas suggested by people wearing a hat called &#8220;experts&#8221; in the field.</p>
<p>Now, money and politics are never separable. If you are trying to tell me that big science can try to use the money, without really having politics involved. It is like saying I can wash my hands without getting my hands wet.</p>
<p>Politics are ALWAYS involved in big money big science. But the influence may not always be negative. By chance some times it pushes it further away from scientific truth and some times it does push closer to scientific truth. In the case of global warmings theory, I think the recent congressional inquiry may actually force scientists to be a little bit more honest, which is good. BTW I am definitely no fan of any Republican of any type.</p>
<p>Quantoken</p>
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		<title>By: Mal Watlington</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Mal Watlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you guys up and running. Preposterous Universe was one of the most thought-provoking reads in the b-sphere, so I have high hopes for your new venture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you guys up and running. Preposterous Universe was one of the most thought-provoking reads in the b-sphere, so I have high hopes for your new venture.</p>
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		<title>By: Unscrewing The Inscrutable</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Unscrewing The Inscrutable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Meet the Cosmologists&lt;/strong&gt;

How did the universe get here and where is it going? Is string theory viable? And most importantly, how did the fundamentalist dopes get theology and politics in my science?
The answers to these questions and more .... are a mystery for now. But lo, the n</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Meet the Cosmologists</strong></p>
<p>How did the universe get here and where is it going? Is string theory viable? And most importantly, how did the fundamentalist dopes get theology and politics in my science?<br />
The answers to these questions and more &#8230;. are a mystery for now. But lo, the n</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Conover</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Conover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no unrelated topics, and this blog looks like a welcome addition to the conversation. Consider your feed bookmarked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no unrelated topics, and this blog looks like a welcome addition to the conversation. Consider your feed bookmarked.</p>
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		<title>By: Linnaeus</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnaeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also disturbed by the political shenanigans arising around science in the present day.  I will say, however, that "politicization" of science really isn't all that new.  Science is an intellectual activity, but it's also a social activity.  As I see it, that means politics and science are always linked in some way.  

It might be more precise to say that you've noted an increase in the politicization of science of a particular, and insidious, kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also disturbed by the political shenanigans arising around science in the present day.  I will say, however, that &#8220;politicization&#8221; of science really isn&#8217;t all that new.  Science is an intellectual activity, but it&#8217;s also a social activity.  As I see it, that means politics and science are always linked in some way.  </p>
<p>It might be more precise to say that you&#8217;ve noted an increase in the politicization of science of a particular, and insidious, kind.</p>
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		<title>By: n. carden grey</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>n. carden grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came here by the way of 3quarksdaily. As to hesitation over "the proclivities of physicists to say something about everything," I do hope this doesn't stop you. I'd much rather hear from the hesitant these days than from the aggressive, even if we all are trying to find our feet in the whirling pools of opinion. I'm excited about this site. And need to go back to work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came here by the way of 3quarksdaily. As to hesitation over &#8220;the proclivities of physicists to say something about everything,&#8221; I do hope this doesn&#8217;t stop you. I&#8217;d much rather hear from the hesitant these days than from the aggressive, even if we all are trying to find our feet in the whirling pools of opinion. I&#8217;m excited about this site. And need to go back to work!</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantoken: "The point is: when politics goes the same way the
scientists want, they never complain about politics
gets involved in science. ... Has there been any complaint when physics was developed in how to make the most destructive nuclear
weapons that would one day wipe out the human race? ... Huge politics was also involved but scientists never complained then."

I don't think you're being reasonable if you're implying that scientists thought politics was "going their way" when they were assigned to work on The Bomb.  Also, whenever a new technological threat appears, I think &lt;a href="http://www.thebulletin.org/about_us/history_mission.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;the scientists&lt;/a&gt; often try to abate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantoken: &#8220;The point is: when politics goes the same way the<br />
scientists want, they never complain about politics<br />
gets involved in science. &#8230; Has there been any complaint when physics was developed in how to make the most destructive nuclear<br />
weapons that would one day wipe out the human race? &#8230; Huge politics was also involved but scientists never complained then.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re being reasonable if you&#8217;re implying that scientists thought politics was &#8220;going their way&#8221; when they were assigned to work on The Bomb.  Also, whenever a new technological threat appears, I think <a href="http://www.thebulletin.org/about_us/history_mission.htm" rel="nofollow">the scientists</a> often try to abate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Risa</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q:  There is a difference between money being involved in what science gets
done, which is perhaps disturbing but certainly inevitable, and politicians explicitly   
misusing, distorting and suppressing science for political purposes, which should be disturbing no matter ones political perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q:  There is a difference between money being involved in what science gets<br />
done, which is perhaps disturbing but certainly inevitable, and politicians explicitly<br />
misusing, distorting and suppressing science for political purposes, which should be disturbing no matter ones political perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Quantoken</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the physicists at CERN did not create the internet.
Al Gore invented the internet. Well he slipped his
tongue but actually he said the truth. He chairmaned
a Senate committee which overseed the creation of
the DARPA NET, which eventually evolved into today's
internet. What they created at CERN, is the HTTP protocol,
i.e., the web protocol, which is but a part of today's
internet.
	
Now about science and politics. I wonder why that sounds
like news to you. Money and politics are twin sisters
and they never separate. If there is no money, there is
no politics; if there is small money, there's small
politics. If there's big money, there's big politics.
Politics is all about how to split the money and other
interests and benefits, and nothing else. Don't you
realize that?
	
Now, science costs money, that's where politics comes to
play. Big science involves big money, and that means big
politics involvement. It has alway been that way, ever
since modern science became a full fleged modern industry
employing millions of people. So no, don't tell me it's
news that politics get involved in science. It has always
been that way.
	
The point is: when politics goes the same way the
scientists want, they never complain about politics
gets involved in science. Only when the direction of
politics turned, and they no longer find politics fitting
their tastes, will those scientists start to complain
about politics. Has there been any complaint when physics
was developed in how to make the most destructive nuclear
weapons that would one day wipe out the human race? Has
there been any complaint when chemists developed
pesticides that pollutes the whole planet? Huge politics
was also involved but scientists never complained then.

Quantoken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the physicists at CERN did not create the internet.<br />
Al Gore invented the internet. Well he slipped his<br />
tongue but actually he said the truth. He chairmaned<br />
a Senate committee which overseed the creation of<br />
the DARPA NET, which eventually evolved into today&#8217;s<br />
internet. What they created at CERN, is the HTTP protocol,<br />
i.e., the web protocol, which is but a part of today&#8217;s<br />
internet.</p>
<p>Now about science and politics. I wonder why that sounds<br />
like news to you. Money and politics are twin sisters<br />
and they never separate. If there is no money, there is<br />
no politics; if there is small money, there&#8217;s small<br />
politics. If there&#8217;s big money, there&#8217;s big politics.<br />
Politics is all about how to split the money and other<br />
interests and benefits, and nothing else. Don&#8217;t you<br />
realize that?</p>
<p>Now, science costs money, that&#8217;s where politics comes to<br />
play. Big science involves big money, and that means big<br />
politics involvement. It has alway been that way, ever<br />
since modern science became a full fleged modern industry<br />
employing millions of people. So no, don&#8217;t tell me it&#8217;s<br />
news that politics get involved in science. It has always<br />
been that way.</p>
<p>The point is: when politics goes the same way the<br />
scientists want, they never complain about politics<br />
gets involved in science. Only when the direction of<br />
politics turned, and they no longer find politics fitting<br />
their tastes, will those scientists start to complain<br />
about politics. Has there been any complaint when physics<br />
was developed in how to make the most destructive nuclear<br />
weapons that would one day wipe out the human race? Has<br />
there been any complaint when chemists developed<br />
pesticides that pollutes the whole planet? Huge politics<br />
was also involved but scientists never complained then.</p>
<p>Quantoken</p>
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		<title>By: Quantoken</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two problems with this new blog sites:
1.It does not do automatic word wrapping.
2.The publish button below are invisible. Fortunately I can figure out where it is, to be able to click it.

Quantoken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two problems with this new blog sites:<br />
1.It does not do automatic word wrapping.<br />
2.The publish button below are invisible. Fortunately I can figure out where it is, to be able to click it.</p>
<p>Quantoken</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://cosmicvariance.com/2005/07/18/against-all-my-better-judgement/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know.  I can see the &lt;a href="http://www.latinopundit.com/latino/latinoimages/madscientist.jpeg" rel="nofollow"&gt;resemblance&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  I can see the <a href="http://www.latinopundit.com/latino/latinoimages/madscientist.jpeg" rel="nofollow">resemblance</a>.</p>
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